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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Nope. I'm arguing that gays can get married in all 50 states. There is no exclusion based on "no homosexuals allowed". Ask Jim McGreevy. Homosexuals can absolutely get married. They might not be able to marry whoever they lust after the most, but pedophiles can't marry who they lust after the most, either. What you lust after isn't part of the definition.
    So you admit it's a gender based classification, which falls under intermediate scrutiny. What important state interest is served by banning same sex marriage?
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    So you admit it's a gender based classification, which falls under intermediate scrutiny. What important state interest is served by banning same sex marriage?
    First we'd have to try to figure out what important state interest was served by creating marriage as it exists. Then we would be able to ascertain whether or not redefining marriage to create the novel concept of "homosexual marriage" would further those goals. So why was state sanctioned marriage created in the first place?

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    First we'd have to try to figure out what important state interest was served by creating marriage as it exists. Then we would be able to ascertain whether or not redefining marriage to create the novel concept of "homosexual marriage" would further those goals. So why was state sanctioned marriage created in the first place?
    It promotes stability. Limits conflicts over such parings, and encourages monogamy.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    It promotes stability. Limits conflicts over such parings, and encourages monogamy.
    In other words it is the oppostite of giving welfare to mothers of out-of-wedlock children.
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    In other words it is the oppostite of giving welfare to mothers of out-of-wedlock children.
    Not really. I don't really care for linking the two. Historically women have had to stay in bad marriages and women were at the mercy of men dumping them. One reason the divorce rate has increased is due to more equal rights between men and women. But it still helps to encourage stability where you can, even among homosexuals. They may be one population who still actually wants to get married.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not really. I don't really care for linking the two. Historically women have had to stay in bad marriages and women were at the mercy of men dumping them. One reason the divorce rate has increased is due to more equal rights between men and women. But it still helps to encourage stability where you can, even among homosexuals. They may be one population who still actually wants to get married.
    That is the ultimate appeal of welfare - having "Uncle Sugar" as the family breadwinner. No arguments, no layoffs, no second opinion on the dinner menu, no "you can't just let the kids just run wild" and no extra laundry in the wash - just a steady paycheck to make it through those "hard times".
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It promotes stability. Limits conflicts over such parings, and encourages monogamy.
    Stability I agree with, although "stability" in and of itself doesn't explain the value. Stability of what? And why is that stability a value for the state?

    Conflicts over pairings and monogamy? I think it would be hard to make an argument that the state is affected by these things one way or another and it would be even harder to argue that marriage reduces conflicts over "pairings". If anything, marriage increases conflict. Nothing uglier than divorce court. Although I can see some special appeal in the antics that would be highlighted in a new TV series called "Gay Divorce Court".

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not really. I don't really care for linking the two. Historically women have had to stay in bad marriages and women were at the mercy of men dumping them. One reason the divorce rate has increased is due to more equal rights between men and women. But it still helps to encourage stability where you can, even among homosexuals. They may be one population who still actually wants to get married.
    You don't really understand the gay population if you think many of them actually want to get married. This isn't a big issue for them because so many of them want to get married. It's a big issue because it would establish that homosexuality was just as normal as heterosexuality, at least per their argument. But then again, that's the male homosexual population. I think the female homosexual population might be more inclined to commit to monogamy. Men simply aren't inclined to monogamy and the chance of a homosexual relationship remaining monogamous for long is very, very slim.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    That is the ultimate appeal of welfare - having "Uncle Sugar" as the family breadwinner. No arguments, no layoffs, no second opinion on the dinner menu, no "you can't just let the kids just run wild" and no extra laundry in the wash - just a steady paycheck to make it through those "hard times".
    Nonsense. By and large, there s no real appeal to welfare. Sure, you can find a small percentage of almost anything, but the overwhelming majority doesn't want to be in welfare.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Stability I agree with, although "stability" in and of itself doesn't explain the value. Stability of what? And why is that stability a value for the state?

    Conflicts over pairings and monogamy? I think it would be hard to make an argument that the state is affected by these things one way or another and it would be even harder to argue that marriage reduces conflicts over "pairings". If anything, marriage increases conflict. Nothing uglier than divorce court. Although I can see some special appeal in the antics that would be highlighted in a new TV series called "Gay Divorce Court".
    SoCal stability. Married people tend to settle down, buy homes, work jobs, build a life. Stability.

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