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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think it's being pushed in the direction of "two people who want to have sex with each other and get government benefits for it". And that's even scarier, in my opinion, for the future of society.
    Or three people. Or one living person and one dead person in a couple. Or one human and one non-human in a couple. Marriage is a right, for all, ya know. And, according to the law, one can't define marriage.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think it's being pushed in the direction of "two people who want to have sex with each other and get government benefits for it". And that's even scarier, in my opinion, for the future of society.
    Are you married? If so, did you get married just because you liked sex and wanted government benefits? Or did you do it for love?
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Who do you love? You see, SSCs that decree marriage for all don't distinguish this. No, that would be discrimination.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Are you married? If so, did you get married just because you liked sex and wanted government benefits? Or did you do it for love?
    Why I married is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that love isn't really an essential part of marriage and never has been. People get married for convenience all the time. Arranged marriages have been around forever. What is being proposed now is marrying the whatever the object of your sexual attraction might be and that is a new meme because prior to this, marriage was man and woman otherwise unecumbered... love or sex wasn't part of the description.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Why I married is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that love isn't really an essential part of marriage and never has been. People get married for convenience all the time. Arranged marriages have been around forever. What is being proposed now is marrying the whatever the object of your sexual attraction might be and that is a new meme because prior to this, marriage was man and woman otherwise unecumbered... love or sex wasn't part of the description.
    Haha, so you're not only arguing gays don't deserve marriage, you're arguing marriage has nothing to do with love. Classic.

    I'm also enjoying your comparison of marrying a human being with marrying an object.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Haha, so you're not only arguing gays don't deserve marriage, you're arguing marriage has nothing to do with love. Classic.

    I'm also enjoying your comparison of marrying a human being with marrying an object.
    It was actually my fearmongering about possibly marrying an object. So, what's the definition of marriage, then?

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    In 2012, two women filed a law suit in New Jersey court because a Methodist Church prevented their SS civil union ceremony from being performed in a pavilion owned by said NJ Methodist Church. The pavilion had been rented out only for marriages because
    it's a religious structure of that NJ Methodist Church, and SS civil unions are not recognized according to the United Methodist Church Book of Disipline.

    Due to the NJ Methodist Church's refusal to rent the pavilion for SS union, New Jersey punished the NJ Methodist Church, and revoked its tax free status in NJ.
    Respondent argues that it didn’t need a Green Acres tax exemption for the
    Pavilion; it could at any time have obtained the same benefit by applying for a tax
    exemption as a religious organization. Indeed, after these events that is exactly what it
    did. We are, however, bound by the facts that were, not those that might have been, or
    that came to pass in the aftermath of petitioners’ application. Respondent accepted a
    particular form of tax exemption that required it to keep the Pavilion open to the public
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    The term “place” can extend beyond fixed locations, but that discussion is unnecessary here.
    4OAL DKT. NO. CRT 6145-09
    on an equal basis, N.J.S.A. 54:4-3.64; N.J.A.C. 7:35-1.4. Neptune Township was
    skeptical that this could be achieved, but respondent persuaded the DEP and renewed
    that promise every three years. Thus, it not only interacted with government, it
    acknowledged the very thing that the interaction test seeks to assess.

    http://www.adfmedia.org/files/OGCMA-...pport=1#page=3

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Haha, so you're not only arguing gays don't deserve marriage, you're arguing marriage has nothing to do with love. Classic.

    I'm also enjoying your comparison of marrying a human being with marrying an object.
    Nope. I'm arguing that gays can get married in all 50 states. There is no exclusion based on "no homosexuals allowed". Ask Jim McGreevy. Homosexuals can absolutely get married. They might not be able to marry whoever they lust after the most, but pedophiles can't marry who they lust after the most, either. What you lust after isn't part of the definition.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Nope. I'm arguing that gays can get married in all 50 states. There is no exclusion based on "no homosexuals allowed". Ask Jim McGreevy. Homosexuals can absolutely get married. They might not be able to marry whoever they lust after the most, but pedophiles can't marry who they lust after the most, either. What you lust after isn't part of the definition.
    So now you're comparing consentual gay sex with child rape? Ok, I see we won't be going anywhere productive.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    SCOTUS was wrong. Rights are negative, not positive in nature. You do not have the right to a marriage license from your state of residence.



    Which in and of itself is fine - the state has a rock solid interest in the items I described.



    Ah. Yes, of course, I see it now. Thank you so much for the mountain of evidence presented.
    Kinda like all the evidence you presented, right?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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