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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not originally.

    Even the during the beginning of our country, both a religious and secular option was available for marriage.

    Religion holds no rights to marriage. No religion. Society, aka "the state", has much more of a right to marriage than religions.
    How many 'original' marriages were SSM?

    EDIT: and when I post state, I mean the US gov't. Don't care about Sweden, for example.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    You're being ideological to try to prove I'm ideological. Look up the word.
    I didn't say you were being ideological. I said that you interpreting the motives of other people was not a good argument.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Your opinion on what is and is not "ideological" has no bearing on the debate. If you stuck to factual statements instead of trying to interpret the motives of people's actions you'd have a much stronger position.
    Means ideological. Look it up.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Means ideological. Look it up.
    You don't understand what the constitution is, you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion, and you don't know the definitions of English words.

    Just...stop.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I didn't say you were being ideological. I said that you interpreting the motives of other people was not a good argument.
    Interpreting the motives of other people is a great argument. I can show dishonesty!
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    How many 'original' marriages were SSM?

    EDIT: and when I post state, I mean the US gov't. Don't care about Sweden, for example.
    It doesn't matter. Almost every state had laws at one time or another against interracial marriages. And every state at one time or another had laws against women voting. Times change.

    This in no way changes the fact that religions do not own marriage, so it is not adopting a religion nor infringing on any religion's rights for the government to allow same sex couples to marry. <---This was your contention. Bringing up what the government originally had as marriage does not change the counter to this contention.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Interpreting the motives of other people is a great argument. I can show dishonesty!
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    edit: "fallen"?
    Last edited by Cardinal; 06-21-13 at 03:20 PM.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You don't understand what the constitution is, you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion, and you don't know the definitions of English words.

    Just...stop.
    Still being ideological. This is boring. Good by.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't matter. Almost every state had laws at one time or another against interracial marriages. And every state at one time or another had laws against women voting. Times change.

    This in no way changes the fact that religions do not own marriage, so it is not adopting a religion nor infringing on any religion's rights for the government to allow same sex couples to marry. <---This was your contention. Bringing up what the government originally had as marriage does not change the counter to this contention.
    Personally, this debate has become so absurd that I'm waayyyyy over the fact that the appeal to tradition is a fallacy. I just want to see him prove that marriage was a religious institution first.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Still being ideological. This is boring. Good by.
    This word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 06-21-13 at 03:21 PM.

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