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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    And your only point in this debate, Cardinal, is that a plurality of ideological state judges decided marriage should be for everybody.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Or when 1st amendment rights are violated when, IMO, SSM laws infringe upon religions in america. upon religions.
    No, they aren't. You cannot justify this at all. No religion has any right to insist that marriage be a certain way in accordance with their religious beliefs.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    What happens to tax free status for church organizations of churches who don't believe in SSM? Have you heard of the IRS scandal? Who's being discriminated against there?

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I'm a chimin'. That's what the religion part of the first amendment is about... Read it more closely. Gov't shall not set up a gov't religion, and gov't shall not impede religions from the practice of their religion.
    And marriage is not a religious institute, not the civil marriage. It is a secular contract that recognizes two people as legal family. It is not religious, so there is no religion or impediment to the practice of any religion in allowing same sex couples to marry.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    What happens to tax free status? Have you heard of the IRS scandal?
    Nothing to do with same sex couples being allowed to marry.

    Religions have been allowed to deny ceremonies, including wedding ceremonies to anyone for any reason since our country started and there is no rational reason to believe this will change by allowing same sex couples to marry.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    And your only point in this debate, Cardinal, is that a plurality of ideological state judges decided marriage should be for everybody.
    Your opinion on what is and is not "ideological" has no bearing on the debate. If you stuck to factual statements instead of trying to interpret the motives of people's actions you'd have a much stronger position.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And marriage is not a religious institute, not the civil marriage. It is a secular contract that recognizes two people as legal family. It is not religious, so there is no religion or impediment to the practice of any religion in allowing same sex couples to marry.
    Marriage was a religious institution before the state got a hold of it. Before,IMO, gov't broke the first amendment.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Your opinion on what is and is not "ideological" has no bearing on the debate. If you stuck to factual statements instead of trying to interpret the motives of people's actions you'd have a much stronger position.
    You're being ideological to try to prove I'm ideological. Look up the word.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Marriage was a religious institution before the state got a hold of it.
    Not originally.

    Even the during the beginning of our country, both a religious and secular option was available for marriage.

    Religion holds no rights to marriage. No religion. Society, aka "the state", has much more of a right to marriage than religions.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Marriage was a religious institution before the state got a hold of it.
    Even though the fact of what was what first is entirely irrelevant, I'd really like to see you prove that marriage as a religious institution came first.

    You know, just for my own personal entertainment.

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