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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Give it up Boo. You know damn well the 14th amendment had zero to do with marriage.
    And yet it has been used several times already to strike down state marriage laws. Funny how it had nothing to do with marriage, according to you anyway, and yet it still applies.

    Of course, those of us who can read recognize that the 14th states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    Pretty sure marriage is part of the law and either a right or a privilege, either way, covered by this Amendment.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Give it up Boo. You know damn well the 14th amendment had zero to do with marriage.
    The 14th was used in Loving v Virginia

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    What? Aren't you being sarcastic? You're a Libertarian, right? Most Libs believe the gov't shouldn't prevent any american citizen from doing or being anything they want to be... That being said, if you believe this way.. I'm right behind you@! I agree 100 'cent.
    I'm not a "modern liberal" or progressive...

    Marriage isn't even a right/civil liberty.

    Marriage is historically based in religion/beliefs NOT in government. Marriage to our government is contract.

    Any individual should be able to engage in contract if they're of the legal age to do so (and it is certainly possible today).

    That doesn't necessarily mean I'm comfortable with homosexuality - it means I believe they have the right to engage in civil contract like any "marriage" is considered civil contract but that doesn't mean that a community should be obligated to accept their presence....

    If people want to be accepted - they should live where they're accepted.

    Honestly, I don't really care what gays do behind their own doors, however I find their acts of "affection" in public provocation. However I wouldn't view it that way if I was in San Francisco because I would be in their backyard...

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The 14th was used in Loving v Virginia
    The Equal Protection Clause justifies just about anything which makes the clause anarchistic in nature and it should be repealed for its vagueness.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wrong. You are free to define marriage for yourself, but not for others.
    Wrong. As a citizen, I and my fellow citizens are free to define marriage for our government.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wrong. As a citizen, I and my fellow citizens are free to define marriage for our government.
    Within the limitations of the Constitution. You cannot limit marriage to only those you feel should get it without being able to justify why that limitation furthers a legitimate state interest.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Within the limitations of the Constitution. You cannot limit marriage to only those you feel should get it without being able to justify why that limitation furthers a legitimate state interest.
    Actually, marriage is presently covered by strict scrutiny, so it needs to be the narrowly tailored to promote a compelling interest. Sadly, no case has yet included SSM under the strict scrutiny umbrella, though this is one of the main issues that the supreme court will hopefully address. The California courts, however, have said that anti-SSM laws don't even pass the rational basis test. Because seriously, what possible interest is furthered in preventing gays from marrying?
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Give it up Boo. You know damn well the 14th amendment had zero to do with marriage.
    The Supreme Court of the United States of America disagrees with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not a "modern liberal" or progressive...

    Marriage isn't even a right/civil liberty.
    Supreme Court of the United States of America disagrees with you.

    Marriage is historically based in religion/beliefs NOT in government. Marriage to our government is contract.
    Yes, it is a contract that the government is applying gender-based restrictions to. Surely as a "libertarian" you would agree that in order to do this, the government must show a good reason to make that classification, or else they have no business placing that restriction on who a private citizen enters a contract with.

    Any individual should be able to engage in contract if they're of the legal age to do so (and it is certainly possible today).

    That doesn't necessarily mean I'm comfortable with homosexuality - it means I believe they have the right to engage in civil contract like any "marriage" is considered civil contract but that doesn't mean that a community should be obligated to accept their presence....
    Nobody is arguing that you should "be obligated to accept their presence." I have an important point for you here: Nobody really cares what you think about their marriage. I'm not talking about just gay people here. Straight people don't care whether you personally approve of their union either. Maybe you don't approve of redheads getting married. Redheads don't care. Maybe you don't approve of an albino marrying a Mormon. They don't care. They do care whether or not the government treats them equally, and as a libertarian you should too.

    If people want to be accepted - they should live where they're accepted.

    Honestly, I don't really care what gays do behind their own doors, however I find their acts of "affection" in public provocation. However I wouldn't view it that way if I was in San Francisco because I would be in their backyard...
    Provocation? Now that's some hateful ****. Have you ever shown affection in public? Did you consider that you might have been offending someone? How small your universe must be, that you think some else's public affection has anything to do with you.

    Grow up, Nick. The world is not as interested in you as you seem to think.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Marriage is historically based in religion/beliefs NOT in government. Marriage to our government is contract.
    Provide evidence that marriage has been solely confined to the religious or retract this statement.

    (You will fail this).

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