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Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

A religious scholar. But let me link one:

"Sodomy" and "sodomite" are some of the ugliest words in the English language. They of course are derived from the Canaanite city of Sodom, whose destruction along with Gomorrah is related in Genesis 19. Most people assume that homosexuality was the grounds for this divine retribution and that this is the reason that gay men have been branded "sodomites." The word itself, used as implying a sexual sin, does not appear until A.D. 395 in letters between Saint Jerome and a priest Amandus, but the details of the act and the nature of the sin are not explained.

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Interestingly enough, Jesus did not interpret the sin of Sodom as sexual. First, Jesus says nothing specific about the sin of homosexuality anywhere in the Gospels. He does of course speak of sexual sins, but all of us, regardless of our sexual orientation, commit a few of these. Second, when Jesus instructs his disciples to preach in the towns of Israel, Jesus warns that those who do not receive them peacefully will be judged more harshly than the people of Sodom and Gomorrah (Matt. 10: 5-15).

Jesus joins other ancient authorities in viewing the sins of the Sodomites as the abuse of strangers, neglecting the poor and needy, and the stigmatizing of outsiders. For example, Ezekiel says that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah "had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and the needy" (16:49-50); and the Wisdom of Solomon says that they "refused to receive strangers when they came to them" (19.14). On the other hand, an early Christian book I Clement states that Lot was saved "because of his hospitality and piety" (11.11). It is significant that when Leviticus condemns "men who lie with men," it does not mention the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Jesus joins other ancient authorities in viewing the sins of the Sodomites as the abuse of strangers, neglecting the poor and needy, and the stigmatizing of outsiders. For example, Ezekiel says that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah "had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and the needy" (16:49-50); and the Wisdom of Solomon says that they "refused to receive strangers when they came to them" (19.14). On the other hand, an early Christian book I Clement states that Lot was saved "because of his hospitality and piety" (11.11). It is significant that when Leviticus condemns "men who lie with men," it does not mention the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Real Meaning of Sodomy

Actually I said I was a religious scholar, no link needed. And I can tell you most of what you just posted was taken out of context.
 
So, when heterosexuals do those acts, what do you call it? Because they do.

No reason to beat a dead horse, especially when you are the one riding it. The biblical definition of sodomy is man with man or woman with woman sex.

I don't expect you to believe me or to even care. You will however be held responsible before God, but the choice is up to you.
 
No thanks, I will stay with the truth.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 KJV

You're pulling your "truth" out of a book of primitive mythology. Um... sure. :roll:
 
Actually I said I was a religious scholar, no link needed. And I can tell you most of what you just posted was taken out of context.

If you're a scholar, you know one to link that supports you. And, no, I read the entire thing. It's in keeping with how most read it.
 
No reason to beat a dead horse, especially when you are the one riding it. The biblical definition of sodomy is man with man or woman with woman sex.

I don't expect you to believe me or to even care. You will however be held responsible before God, but the choice is up to you.


No, it really isn't. It's how some have badly misread the Bible. Read the link above.
 
If you're a scholar, you know one to link that supports you. And, no, I read the entire thing. It's in keeping with how most read it.

I can tell you that the original languages did in fact mean homosexuality and condemned them.
 
That just isn't true. I've read far too much. You're blowing smoke.

1 Cor 6:9

The word ἀρσενοκοίτης is found, and is the word for Homosexual in the Greek. It actually has a meaning of defiling one self man with man as if a man with a woman. In other words, sodomy.

That being said, here is the full text of the verse:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous [fn] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

You cannot say the Bible does not condemn homosexuality, it just isn't true.
 
1 Cor 6:9

The word ἀρσενοκοίτης is found, and is the word for Homosexual in the Greek. It actually has a meaning of defiling one self man with man as if a man with a woman. In other words, sodomy.

That being said, here is the full text of the verse:



You cannot say the Bible does not condemn homosexuality, it just isn't true.

There was no word or homosexuality then. You're blowing smoke.
 
There was no word or homosexuality then. You're blowing smoke.

It is a word for homosexuality as it describes homosexual acts. Did you not read my entire post? I'm sorry if you can't handle the truth.
 
It is a word for homosexuality as it describes homosexual acts. Did you not read my entire post? I'm sorry if you can't handle the truth.

The word homosexual didn’t exist when the Bible was written. (New Testament about 2000 years ago, and parts of the Old Testament from 1,400 to 400 BCE.)

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Most Common Same-sex Confusion in the Bible

The Bible actually contains no word for homosexuality or homosexual

Some English – and Spanish, and Chinese, and Russian etc. – translations of the Bible include the word homosexual. That’s incorrect because the word homosexual is nowhere in the original Hebrew or the original Greek.

The word homosexual didn’t exist when the Bible was written. (New Testament about 2000 years ago, and parts of the Old Testament from 1,400 to 400 BCE.)
It wasn’t until 1869 that Dr. Karoly Benkert, a Hungarian physician created the term by combining the homo, the Greek word for same, with the Latin sexual.
The word homosexual did not come into use in the United States until the 1880’s.
The concept homosexual didn’t exist when the Bible was written
If you see the word homosexual or homosexuality in the Bible, it is because translators chose those words to reflect their own homophobic feelings and ideas.
Where in the Bible you might find the word homosexual used incorrectly:

The Hebrew word kedah means temple prostitute and is sometimes inaccurately translated at sodomite or homosexual.
In 1 Corinthians, sodomite or homosexual are sometimes used, but they are incorrect translations of the Greek malakos which means something closer to effeminate or the Greek practice of pederasty, which is older men having sex with boys and is not consensual gay sex between peers.
1 Corinthians also refers in Greek to arsenokaitai, which appears nowhere else in the Bible or in Greek writings about homoerotic sexuality, but probably means male prostitute.
Jude 7 sometimes refers to homosexual flesh that the Sodomites pursued. This is an inaccurate translation of hetera sarx which means, literally, strange flesh to describe the flesh of the angels who were sent by God to evaluate Sodom and Gomorrah.
In Timothy 1:9-10, translators sometimes use homosexual for the original Greek words, pornoi, arsenokoitai, and andrapodistai, meaning male prostitutes, males who hire male prostitutes or the slave dealers who procure them.
Including the word homosexual in the Bible is the choice of translators and is not a reflection of the Bible.

The Bible actually contains no word for homosexuality or homosexual – Our Spirit


At the heart of the claim that the Bible is clear "that homosexuality is forbidden by God" is poor biblical scholarship and a cultural bias read into the Bible. The Bible says nothing about "homosexuality" as an innate dimension of personality. Sexual orientation was not understood in biblical times. There are references in the Bible to same-gender sexual behavior, and all of them are undeniably negative. But what is condemned in these passages is the violence, idolatry and exploitation related to the behavior, not the same-gender nature of the behavior. There are references in the Bible to different-gender sexual behavior that are just as condemning for the same reasons. But no one claims that the condemnation is because the behavior was between a man and a woman.

What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality? | Resources | Human Rights Campaign


"Saying that the last recorded acts of the Sodomites -- the demands for same-gender sex -- are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality is like saying that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards. Sodom was judged worthy of destruction before the incident with Lot and the angels." Inge Anderson 1

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"The activities in Sodom were to homosexuality what rape is to heterosexuality." Anon

Homosexuality in the biblical book of Genesis: Sodom and Gomorrah
 
The word homosexual didn’t exist when the Bible was written. (New Testament about 2000 years ago, and parts of the Old Testament from 1,400 to 400 BCE.)

(Snip)

Most Common Same-sex Confusion in the Bible

The Bible actually contains no word for homosexuality or homosexual

Some English – and Spanish, and Chinese, and Russian etc. – translations of the Bible include the word homosexual. That’s incorrect because the word homosexual is nowhere in the original Hebrew or the original Greek.

The word homosexual didn’t exist when the Bible was written. (New Testament about 2000 years ago, and parts of the Old Testament from 1,400 to 400 BCE.)
It wasn’t until 1869 that Dr. Karoly Benkert, a Hungarian physician created the term by combining the homo, the Greek word for same, with the Latin sexual.
The word homosexual did not come into use in the United States until the 1880’s.
The concept homosexual didn’t exist when the Bible was written
If you see the word homosexual or homosexuality in the Bible, it is because translators chose those words to reflect their own homophobic feelings and ideas.
Where in the Bible you might find the word homosexual used incorrectly:

The Hebrew word kedah means temple prostitute and is sometimes inaccurately translated at sodomite or homosexual.
In 1 Corinthians, sodomite or homosexual are sometimes used, but they are incorrect translations of the Greek malakos which means something closer to effeminate or the Greek practice of pederasty, which is older men having sex with boys and is not consensual gay sex between peers.
1 Corinthians also refers in Greek to arsenokaitai, which appears nowhere else in the Bible or in Greek writings about homoerotic sexuality, but probably means male prostitute.
Jude 7 sometimes refers to homosexual flesh that the Sodomites pursued. This is an inaccurate translation of hetera sarx which means, literally, strange flesh to describe the flesh of the angels who were sent by God to evaluate Sodom and Gomorrah.
In Timothy 1:9-10, translators sometimes use homosexual for the original Greek words, pornoi, arsenokoitai, and andrapodistai, meaning male prostitutes, males who hire male prostitutes or the slave dealers who procure them.
Including the word homosexual in the Bible is the choice of translators and is not a reflection of the Bible.

The Bible actually contains no word for homosexuality or homosexual – Our Spirit


At the heart of the claim that the Bible is clear "that homosexuality is forbidden by God" is poor biblical scholarship and a cultural bias read into the Bible. The Bible says nothing about "homosexuality" as an innate dimension of personality. Sexual orientation was not understood in biblical times. There are references in the Bible to same-gender sexual behavior, and all of them are undeniably negative. But what is condemned in these passages is the violence, idolatry and exploitation related to the behavior, not the same-gender nature of the behavior. There are references in the Bible to different-gender sexual behavior that are just as condemning for the same reasons. But no one claims that the condemnation is because the behavior was between a man and a woman.

What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality? | Resources | Human Rights Campaign


"Saying that the last recorded acts of the Sodomites -- the demands for same-gender sex -- are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality is like saying that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards. Sodom was judged worthy of destruction before the incident with Lot and the angels." Inge Anderson 1

(Snip)


"The activities in Sodom were to homosexuality what rape is to heterosexuality." Anon

Homosexuality in the biblical book of Genesis: Sodom and Gomorrah

I'm sorry, but that is people who are twisting the original languages to fit the homosexual agenda.
 
I'm sorry, but that is people who are twisting the original languages to fit the homosexual agenda.

You don't know any gay people, do you? Getting a group of gays to agree on anything is just about impossible, but somehow they have this scarey agenda...
 
You don't know any gay people, do you? Getting a group of gays to agree on anything is just about impossible, but somehow they have this scarey agenda...

Oh I know a lot of them actually.
 
I'm sorry, but that is people who are twisting the original languages to fit the homosexual agenda.

We can play hat game if you like, so it's your side twisting the original languages to fit their hate agenda.

I've linked those who say wha many books on the issue say. You say you're a scholar, so you should know of such books. If you don't, than your study has been incomplete.
 
No, it really isn't. It's how some have badly misread the Bible. Read the link above.

I've been studying the bible for over 40 years; I doubt you have ever read through it even once. I believe I know a little more about it than you.
 
I've been studying the bible for over 40 years; I doubt you have ever read through it even once. I believe I know a little more about it than you.

You be wrong. I've also read much on what it says as well. It's what a scholar does.
 
I've been studying the bible for over 40 years; I doubt you have ever read through it even once. I believe I know a little more about it than you.

The whole biblical argument falls apart in 2 areas.

1. If you do not have blind faith in a work of fiction constructed by the church and not by jesus your argument is as good as saying harry potter said homosexuality was wrong.

2. this is america and the bible says so is a religious argument which the country should not be respecting. You can believe it without being told you have to practice it, but you cannot tell others to practice your religious beliefs.

I don't care if you have every verse in the bible memorized, it doesn't count.
 
The whole biblical argument falls apart in 2 areas.

1. If you do not have blind faith in a work of fiction constructed by the church and not by jesus your argument is as good as saying harry potter said homosexuality was wrong.

2. this is america and the bible says so is a religious argument which the country should not be respecting. You can believe it without being told you have to practice it, but you cannot tell others to practice your religious beliefs.

I don't care if you have every verse in the bible memorized, it doesn't count.

That's true. I find it an interesting biblical argument, but it has no real meaning to law.
 
That's true. I find it an interesting biblical argument, but it has no real meaning to law.

I do hope that the supreme court recognizes that after you toss out the religious argument against a government contract and recognize it has no place in a constitutional debate because no one is forcing homosexuality on the church in a legal sense, then there is nothing left to oppose the partnering of 2 people of the same gender, just like in any legal partnership. I am not holding my breath they will do it, but i am wondering what the hell is up with them delaying this announcement by another weak. News outlets are having a hell of a time recycling their speculations over and over again.
 
The whole biblical argument falls apart in 2 areas.

1. If you do not have blind faith in a work of fiction constructed by the church and not by jesus your argument is as good as saying harry potter said homosexuality was wrong.

2. this is america and the bible says so is a religious argument which the country should not be respecting. You can believe it without being told you have to practice it, but you cannot tell others to practice your religious beliefs.

I don't care if you have every verse in the bible memorized, it doesn't count.

I don't expect someone who is a child of Satan to understand. You will have to decide who's side you are on. The bible will count when you stand before God and give account of your life.
 
You are a bible scholar! :lamo :lamo :lamo

As a hobby. Which is more than I can say for some. I do appear to know more than say, you. ;):peace
 
I don't expect someone who is a child of Satan to understand. You will have to decide who's side you are on. The bible will count when you stand before God and give account of your life.

Oh baby you are so turning me on!
 
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