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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    This could make for the worst Monday in history. Its Monday, have 5 days of work ahead of me, and...oh yeah...I'm a second class citizen. Anxiously awaiting...
    Nope. I expect it to be gay marriage in CA is legalized and DOMA goes down under the full faith and credit law. Nothing else changes though in the other states.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Marriage laws.
    There is no federal marriage law... There is DOMA (not a law but more like a resolution) but that's about it and DOMA works against your cunning attempts to even justify your position.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And today no- one can marry someone of the same sex. Heteros can't, bisexuals can't, transexuals can't, and gays can't. The rules are same for everyone.
    In that narrow misleading dishonest way. Heterosexuals however can marry the ones the love, are attracted to. Being dishonest in how one frames it is not really a winning argument.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    People do realize in order for the Fourteenth Amendment to even be applicable there has to be a FEDERAL LAW in place?

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    There is no federal marriage law... There is DOMA (not a law but more like a resolution) but that's about it and DOMA works against your cunning attempts to even justify your position.
    The federal law is equal protection, and constitutional laws have trumped state laws in the past.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    They don't have a right to get married considering there is no right (or civil liberty) for marriage......

    Where in the **** is it in the bill of rights that anyone can be married? oh yeah its not a RIGHT NOR CIVIL LIBERTY it's contract law.
    Since when did those who believed in freedom and liberty decide that the Constitution & Bill of Rights was the only indication of what is and is not a right? Natural rights are rights not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable. The writers of our founding documents were explicit in this. Do you oppose them? Further - Marriage is one the basic civil rights of man, fundamental to our identity and very liberties. It is a recognition that we, as individuals, have the right to commit ourselves to another person so intimately, that this commitment is made lasting through sickness, health, for better and worse times, till our final and ultimate deaths.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The federal law is equal protection, and constitutional laws have trumped state laws in the past.
    hahahaha...... No - No it's not!

    This is why we have a Bill of Rights - so people (or legislators) can't be vague.

    Define equal protection - can you manage to do that objectively or subjectively??? No you cant... If you tried it would just be your opinion with no solid manifested foundation -- hence standard.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    hahahaha...... No - No it's not!

    This is why we have a Bill of Rights - so people (or legislators) can't be vague.

    Define equal protection - can you manage to do that objectively or subjectively??? No you cant... If you tried it would just be your opinion with no solid manifested foundation -- hence standard.
    Oh hell, if there was some vagueness, nothing would ever have to go before the courts. Look how many times you guys have been wrong. Healthcare, wrong.


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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm done with this thread...

    If there was a good legal argument for gay marriage then gay marriage would have been amended into the constitution.

    The issue is NOT a matter of opinion but rather a matter of law and how our government passes legislation.

    It's really that simple...
    DOMA violates the 14th Amendment, which provides equal protection under the law (some citizens can marry, while others cannot). If a state wants to create a law which has a negative affect on one group of people, the state must provide a valid reason. Also, the Full Faith and Credit Clause requires a state to honor a contract made in another state. The Due Process Clause prohibits states from violating the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

    There is a legal basis for same-sex marriage.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Since when did those who believed in freedom and liberty decide that the Constitution & Bill of Rights was the only indication of what is and is not a right? Natural rights are rights not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable. The writers of our founding documents were explicit in this. Do you oppose them? Further - Marriage is one the basic civil rights of man, fundamental to our identity and very liberties. It is a recognition that we, as individuals, have the right to commit ourselves to another person so intimately, that this commitment is made lasting through sickness, health, for better and worse times, till our final and ultimate deaths.
    Well you're more than welcome to your opinion, however your opinion is not manifested anywhere in the Bill of Rights or the constitution...

    You're attempting to portray your opinions as right, however they aren't law so your opinions are moot....

    Furthermore, if you're a real libertarian where do you draw the line? what separates you from anarchists? there is only one answer to that and if you're a libertarian you will know the answer.

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