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Thread: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And the societal costw of gay marriage are what?
    Ones you would not be open to hearing so there would be no point discussing. Everything has a cost.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And the societal costw of gay marriage are what?
    I'm not concerned about the cost of gay marriage per se, I'm concerned about the cost of allowing life-tenured judges to substitute their political choices for those of the voters.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Well until then in 29 states the will of the people is no same sex marriage and in a whole bunch of states, no gun bans is also the will of the people. Since the autocrats are gracious neither in victory nor defeat, and are ruthlessly pragmatic in their logic and reasoning, and are either willfully ignorant of or do not care about the societal cost of their sounds good policies, I wouldn't exactly be on my high horse about hypocrisy.
    "will of the people" isn't my argument and never has been.

    Societal cost. I'm glad you used that term.

    Specify the "societal cost" of same-sex marriage.

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    I'm not concerned about the cost of gay marriage per se, I'm concerned about the cost of allowing life-tenured judges to substitute their political choices for those of the voters.
    Voters do not get to vote away someone else's freedom, Mr. So-called libertarian.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "will of the people" isn't my argument and never has been.

    Societal cost. I'm glad you used that term.

    Specify the "societal cost" of same-sex marriage.



    Voters do not get to vote away someone else's freedom, Mr. So-called libertarian.
    Do you think that all these financial benefits of marriage that gays allege they are denied do not have a cost, be it the spousal death benefit or family bonus pay for the military members and everything in between?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Do you think that all these financial benefits of marriage that gays allege they are denied do not have a cost, be it the spousal death benefit or family bonus pay for the military members and everything in between?
    This is not specific to same-sex marriage. It is true of any marriage.

    But feel free to explain to us why you think the cost of benefits to military servicepeople is too great. I, for one, think they earn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    I'm not concerned about the cost of gay marriage per se, I'm concerned about the cost of allowing life-tenured judges to substitute their political choices for those of the voters.
    The voters don't get to violate the Constitution of the United States by voting unconstitutional policy into law.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Because might makes right. Majority rules. We won. Take your choice-- The liberals have told us all those are good enough reasons for something.
    Wrong. We live in a constitutional republic, not a direct democracy. Might does not make right, nor does the simple majority absolutely rule. If this were true, we would never have had either the Loving decision nor the Brown decision since both of those were decided against the will of the majority.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Do you think that all these financial benefits of marriage that gays allege they are denied do not have a cost, be it the spousal death benefit or family bonus pay for the military members and everything in between?
    Studies have been done that prove that those costs are balanced out by the benefits of marriage to society, including individuals being covered under their spouses' medical and other benefits or having to claim both spouses' incomes when putting in for assistance programs and things of that nature. Even tax benefits are small.

    And it still goes to fairness. What difference is it if we offer these benefits to opposite sex couples or to both opposite sex couples and same sex couples? Show the financial difference. Because Congress has already done at least one study that shows that the federal coffers are most likely to actually benefit from same sex couples being allowed to marry.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Studies have been done that prove that those costs are balanced out by the benefits of marriage to society, including individuals being covered under their spouses' medical and other benefits or having to claim both spouses' incomes when putting in for assistance programs and things of that nature. Even tax benefits are small.

    And it still goes to fairness. What difference is it if we offer these benefits to opposite sex couples or to both opposite sex couples and same sex couples? Show the financial difference. Because Congress has already done at least one study that shows that the federal coffers are most likely to actually benefit from same sex couples being allowed to marry.
    In a closed system such as an economy everything balances out.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    In a closed system such as an economy everything balances out.
    So the financial considerations mean nothing here. It is balanced and should not be a consideration unless you can prove that allowing someone to marry a person of the same sex will somehow cause major damage to our economy. (And this means proof, not simply belief that it will. Most economists agree that allowing same sex couples to marry would in fact be beneficial to our economy.)
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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