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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Enlighten me.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I can't fathom why gun ownership is such a value. I don't own a gun, so nobody should own one. Sometimes it ends in getting shot. Do you want to get shot?
    Why is this type of argument acceptable to those who want to limit guns, but when used by those, like me, who want to limit marriage, isn't appropriate?
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    The union legislation in California proves you wrong, and the California union legislation could be any state's legislation.
    What "union legislation"? Are you talking about same sex unions? Because those aren't treated as marriages. Those in such unions do not have the same exact protections as marriages. And it would be stupid to push for such things because it is fiscally irresponsible to have two types of unions that give the exact same protections/benefits/rights.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Don't get sloppy with you facts. Check out, for example, California's union legislation.
    Unions do not get federal benefits of marriage.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Why is this type of argument acceptable to those who want to limit guns, but when used by those, like me, who want to limit marriage, isn't appropriate?
    Why is it acceptable for limiting marriage but not guns? You don't get to call someone a hypocrite while actively being a hypocrite.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Don't get sloppy with you facts. Check out, for example, California's union legislation.
    1) Not recognized by the Federal government.
    2) Not recognized by other states.
    3) Still not 100% equal in practice. You still hear about problems with child custody, hospital visitation, etc.

    Separate and unequal. Unacceptable.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why is it acceptable for limiting marriage but not guns? You don't get to call someone a hypocrite while actively being a hypocrite.
    Because might makes right. Majority rules. We won. Take your choice-- The liberals have told us all those are good enough reasons for something.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Because might makes right. Majority rules. We won. Take your choice-- The liberals have told us all those are good enough reasons for something.
    Really? Because on same-sex marriage, "will of the people" always comes out of the mouths of the conservatives. Until the majority votes for same-sex marriage, anyway. Then it changes to "FORCING THEIR BELIEFS ON US!"
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Really? Because on same-sex marriage, "will of the people" always comes out of the mouths of the conservatives. Until the majority votes for same-sex marriage, anyway. Then it changes to "FORCING THEIR BELIEFS ON US!"
    Well until then in 29 states the will of the people is no same sex marriage and in a whole bunch of states, no gun bans is also the will of the people. Since the autocrats are gracious neither in victory nor defeat, and are ruthlessly pragmatic in their logic and reasoning, and are either willfully ignorant of or do not care about the societal cost of their sounds good policies, I wouldn't exactly be on my high horse about hypocrisy.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Well until then in 29 states the will of the people is no same sex marriage and in a whole bunch of states, no gun bans is also the will of the people. Since the autocrats are gracious neither in victory nor defeat, and are ruthlessly pragmatic in their logic and reasoning, and are either willfully ignorant of or do not care about the societal cost of their sounds good policies, I wouldn't exactly be on my high horse about hypocrisy.

    And the societal costw of gay marriage are what?

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