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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, how does valuing liberty require a narrower view of sexuality and marriage? I would think that the opposite is true.
    We are in agreement.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    For the life of me, I cannot fathom how sexual orientation is a value. I would think that kind-heartedness is. Liberty is. Equality, justice, and fairness. But sexual orientation? One of these things is not like the others.
    I can't fathom why marriage is such a value. Many SSM enthusiasts, for example, previously and derogatorily pointed to the 50/50 chance of a marriage ending in divorce. Do you want to be divorced?
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I can't fathom why marriage is such a value. Many SSM enthusiasts, for example, previously and derogatorily pointed to the 50/50 chance of a marriage ending in divorce. Do you want to be divorced?
    And even if it ends in divorce, marriage is still more protection for each individual than any other legal arrangement.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And even if it ends in divorce, marriage is still more protection for each individual than any other legal arrangement.
    Don't get sloppy with you facts. Check out, for example, California's union legislation.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I can't fathom why marriage is such a value. Many SSM enthusiasts, for example, previously and derogatorily pointed to the 50/50 chance of a marriage ending in divorce. Do you want to be divorced?
    What's so bad about divorce? Why is permanence so important for marriage? If we weren't conditioned to expect lifelong relationships, we wouldn't get bent out of shape when they ended so much. But either way, the rate of heterosexuals getting divorced has no bearing whatsoever on the constitutional protections of SSM. It's just another weird tangent.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Don't get sloppy with you facts. Check out, for example, California's union legislation.
    Those are the facts. It is better to be married and get divorced, in most cases, for most people, than to simply be living together, even with certain legal agreements because it gives you protection while you're married if something does happen and gives you certain rights and protections in case the relationship ends regarding the money and assets that were earned/combined during the relationship.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Those are the facts. It is better to be married and get divorced, in most cases, for most people, than to simply be living together, even with certain legal agreements because it gives you protection while you're married if something does happen and gives you certain rights and protections in case the relationship ends regarding the money and assets that were earned/combined during the relationship.
    The union legislation in California proves you wrong, and the California union legislation could be any state's legislation.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What's so bad about divorce? Why is permanence so important for marriage? If we weren't conditioned to expect lifelong relationships, we wouldn't get bent out of shape when they ended so much. But either way, the rate of heterosexuals getting divorced has no bearing whatsoever on the constitutional protections of SSM. It's just another weird tangent.
    So, SSM advocates have changed their minds about marriage and divorce? Why?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I can't fathom why marriage is such a value. Many SSM enthusiasts, for example, previously and derogatorily pointed to the 50/50 chance of a marriage ending in divorce. Do you want to be divorced?
    I can't fathom why gun ownership is such a value. I don't own a gun, so nobody should own one. Sometimes it ends in getting shot. Do you want to get shot?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    So, SSM advocates have changed their minds about marriage and divorce? Why?
    They haven't. You're just misunderstanding the arguments.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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