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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Finally someone got it. Thank you.

    It is up to the state to define marriage and enforce the laws of marriage and divorce for the people of the state. Any arguments about who would be harmed must be fielded by the state and the state, itself, may claim to be the harmed party if it finds a sort of relationship unsuitable for sanction.
    Wrong. It is up to the state to show that the laws reflect that restrictions are relevant to the way marriage works. They cannot claim harm that they cannot prove, but they also can establish that marriages are not keeping with the purpose of marriage that is expressed through the laws of how marriage itself functions. Marriage functions legally around two adults, not an adult and a child, not more than two adults, not adults and animals or dead people or inanimate objects. There must be two parties of legal ability to take responsibility for the other, at least to a point.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The state is not compelled to endorse someting merely because I am not victimized by it. Necrophelia, incest, polygamy and homosexuality are all examples of things that do not personally affect me. And they are all things that this state does not endorse through marriage. The fact that "the victim" is not clear to either you or me is not a mandate for state endorsement. If you still don't get it, I can't help you.

    I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
    So far all you're doing is passing the buck. The "who is the victim?" question is aimed at the position of being against gay marriage.

    So when you oppose gay marriage, one of the responses you should very much expect to to hear is "how does this affect you?" And you should have a response prepared. Saying, "Oh, I don't know, but I'm sure somebody else does." is not a legitimate response. Do your own work.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Mother/Daughter marriage would not affect me and I cannot identify a victim of that, either. I don't see any reason why the state should be compelled to license such a marriage, though.
    There are lots of reasons why incest is illegal, but you continue to avoid the question, how does SSM negatively effect society?


    Bigotry?
    Yes, I believe your opposition to SSM is based on bigotry.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    And I ask you, what human victims would there be if mothers and daughters were allowed to marry?
    The discussion is gay marriage, not incest.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    You are a grumpy old man.
    Get off my lawn.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Actually, I can, but they're a whole can of worms all their own and just a lot more for me to explain and for you to naysay ranging from insurance and taxes to the stability of family units. It's best to just go ahead and let the state make the case as it may inevitably be forced to do. If you wish, you may go ahead and start naysaying now preemptively and get a head start on it.
    Again, I will refer you to the findings of fact in Hollingsworth V Perry, it has already been hashed out.
    https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/0...2292-ORDER.pdf
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The reasons for banning a thing should be based on how it negatively effects society.

    You are avoiding describing how SSM negatively effects society.
    If it was something you could do without a state license, you would have an argument. Sanctioned marriage is a creation and endorsement by the state. It never existed in the first place and what homosexuals are asking is for the state to expand the domain of marriage in new ways to encompass arrangements that were never endorsed before. The fact that you don't see any harm in it is not a compelling reason for the state to make a positive action on this.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Get off my lawn.
    Damn whipper snappers!

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    There are lots of reasons why incest is illegal, but you continue to avoid the question, how does SSM negatively effect society?


    Yes, I believe your opposition to SSM is based on bigotry.
    You have a right to believe anything you would like. I think it's just so very special that you're sharing your beliefs with me. Thank you so much. It's really sweet of you.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    If it was something you could do without a state license, you would have an argument. Sanctioned marriage is a creation and endorsement by the state. It never existed in the first place and what homosexuals are asking is for the state to expand the domain of marriage in new ways to encompass arrangements that were never endorsed before. The fact that you don't see any harm in it is not a compelling reason for the state to make a positive action on this.
    The fact that you have been unwilling to state what that harm is (along with the lack of examples of victims) is significantly less compelling. The only message you're sending thus far is "I have no argument."

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