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Thread: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    legal same sex partnership is marriage. Marriage is a civil union.
    According to the oligarchist SSC judges who've deemed gay marriage in their states and SSM advocates, but I think there's a different opinion among Americans. I don't think Americans' opinions are gonna matter. That's what scares me the most.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think it would actually be correct to be a subset of laws that are most appropriate to domestic partnerships. I'm not sure that all the tax benefits need apply since homosexual relationships are not for the purpose of creating families (even though alternative means may be employed to artificially create a family for a same-sex pairing). That's one of the things I'm on the fence about. Should the state give tax benefits to a same-sex couple that it gives to a couple that has traditionally had one member performing caregiving duties to the offspring? Or is that just giving away state revenue that never seems to be in adequate supply for purposes that don't support that?

    That has to be a state consideration even if it's one no one dares talk about.
    How you feel about it is not how our laws work. And there is no public support for making procreation a part of marriage laws, not positive procreative ability and/or intent. It simply isn't that important to most people. Nor do most people agree with you that procreation is the reason and sole purpose or even foundation of marriage.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    According to the oligarchist SSC judges who've deemed gay marriage in their states, but I think there's a different opinion among Americans. I wonder if Americans' opinions are gonna matter? That's what scares me the most.
    Americans' opinions do matter, and that opinion was placed into the main law of our land saying that states cannot deny equal protection without showing how a restriction furthers a legitimate state interest. Plus, the majority supports same sex marriage, whether you want to believe that or not.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    According to the oligarchist SSC judges who've deemed gay marriage in their states, but I think there's a different opinion among Americans. I don't think Americans' opinions are gonna matter. That's what scares me the most.
    Your correct opinion about SSM being icky or immoral doesn't matter. Just like the opinion interracial marriage is icky or immoral doesn't matter.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Americans' opinions do matter, and that opinion was placed into the main law of our land saying that states cannot deny equal protection without showing how a restriction furthers a legitimate state interest. Plus, the majority supports same sex marriage, whether you want to believe that or not.
    Where is the denial of equal protection when SS unions have all the rights and responstibilties of marriage?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Where is the denial of equal protection when SS unions have all the rights and responstibilties of marriage?
    Except they don't and there is no legitimate push for same sex unions other than marriage in most places that don't already recognize same sex marriage nor on a federal level. So denying same sex couples the right to enter into the only partnership that "is like marriage", marriage itself, is denying equal protection.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Where is the denial of equal protection when SS unions have all the rights and responstibilties of marriage?
    Except they haven't offered SSM with all the same benefits.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Your correct opinion about SSM being icky or immoral doesn't matter. Just like the opinion interracial marriage is icky or immoral doesn't matter.
    I do think SSM is icky, but not immoral. My complaint is the gov't is changing the definition of marriage. Like including football in the definition of basketball. Why the need for this mongrelization?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Except they haven't offered SSM with all the same benefits.

    Nevada, and Califorinia, and Washington, and Oregon, and Colorado have unions with all the rights and responsibilites of marriage. Other states can easily follow suit with legislation. Tax breaks for SS unions would be federal.

    If your goal is SSM in every state, why all this hard work, and possible defeat for something you already have (SS unions with all the rights and responsibilites of marriage)?
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Nevada, and Califorinia, and Washington, and Oregon, and Colorado have unions with all the rights and responsibilites of marriage. Other states can easily follow suit with legislation. Tax breaks for SS unions would be federal.
    There you go not equal.

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