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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It makes sense to afford any two (or more people) who want to form a legally bound committed domestic partnership certain sets of rights such as hospital visitation and disposal of property in the event of a partner's death (among others).
    Why does it make sense? Provide your rational.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    But what is clear is that you don't support ANY form of legal recognition for same sex couples
    I'll just cut you off right there without further deviation from propriety via your specious reasoning for the position you assigned me. It is at this point that we are no longer engaged in reasonable discussion since you are not listening.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why does it make sense? Provide your rational.
    It makes sense because people should be able to enter into contracts and agreements with each other that include things such as power of attorney. This right to contractual agreement among people should support some sort of boiler plate civil union agreement, in my opinion.... or for that matter, some customized form of agreement. The bottom line is that I think it is reasonable to afford a boilerplated agreement for domestic partnerships as a point of freedom to enter into contracts with others.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I'll just cut you off right there without further deviation from propriety via your specious reasoning for the position you assigned me. It is at this point that we are no longer engaged in reasonable discussion since you are not listening.
    Uh huh. And I quote you...

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    I'm glad this state not only doesn't allow homosexual marriage but forbids civil unions or anything resembling them and won't recognize them in this or any other state.
    I'm not sure why you are angry at me when I am simply going by the position you stated for yourself. I didn't assign it to you, you gave it to yourself.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It makes sense because people should be able to enter into contracts and agreements with each other that include things such as power of attorney. This right to contractual agreement among people should support some sort of boiler plate civil union agreement, in my opinion.... or for that matter, some customized form of agreement. The bottom line is that I think it is reasonable to afford a boilerplated agreement for domestic partnerships as a point of freedom to enter into contracts with others.
    And I believe that is your real position. That is where you should have started and ended. All the rest was just a game to play at people's sympathies and to goad those who disagree with you. Game, match, set.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think people that support same-sex MARRIAGE either don't understand the purpose of marriage or think that homosexual marriage should be created as an option even though it doesn't further the purpose of marriage. What is disingenuous is to deny that acceptable biological pairings was ALWAYS the foundation of marriage law in this country with all else being support for that foundation. Even Loving vs. Virginia was meaningful because it included a reasonable and logical biological pairing that was only denied due to issues of race. The real purpose of marriage was already satisfied by their biological male/female coupling.
    You are the one who doesn't understand the purpose of marriage, because you are limiting it to your idea of what the purpose is. The purpose of marriage is varied. There are many purposes. And none is going to be more important than the others. Marriage exists for many reasons. This is especially true today.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It makes sense because people should be able to enter into contracts and agreements with each other that include things such as power of attorney. This right to contractual agreement among people should support some sort of boiler plate civil union agreement, in my opinion.... or for that matter, some customized form of agreement. The bottom line is that I think it is reasonable to afford a boilerplated agreement for domestic partnerships as a point of freedom to enter into contracts with others.
    And that agreement is already called "marriage". There is no need to make a second agreement type that serves the same legal purpose for some ideological concept of marriage that doesn't truly represent what marriage legally is.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And that agreement is already called "marriage". There is no need to make a second agreement type that serves the same legal purpose for some ideological concept of marriage that doesn't truly represent what marriage legally is.
    Similar purpose... not the same. Domestic partnerships are not marriages and don't have the same purpose as marriage except through the "new orthodoxy" definition of marriage as any two people who have feelings for each other and want to mimic a heterosexual marriage model relationship.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Similar purpose... not the same. Domestic partnerships are not marriages and don't have the same purpose as marriage except through the "new orthodoxy" definition of marriage as any two people who have feelings for each other and want to mimic a heterosexual marriage model relationship.
    It is the same. If it comes with all the same benefits and rights and responsibilities, then it is the same thing. The only difference is how you feel about marriage. And that is not important in our laws.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is the same. If it comes with all the same benefits and rights and responsibilities, then it is the same thing. The only difference is how you feel about marriage. And that is not important in our laws.
    I think it would actually be correct to be a subset of laws that are most appropriate to domestic partnerships. I'm not sure that all the tax benefits need apply since homosexual relationships are not for the purpose of creating families (even though alternative means may be employed to artificially create a family for a same-sex pairing). That's one of the things I'm on the fence about. Should the state give tax benefits to a same-sex couple that it gives to a couple that has traditionally had one member performing caregiving duties to the offspring? Or is that just giving away state revenue that never seems to be in adequate supply for purposes that don't support that?

    That has to be a state consideration even if it's one no one dares talk about.
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