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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    license = permission. Marriage licences WERE, in fact, societal permission to have children. It was the very purpose of marriage. And not just here. My wife is Irish and it was that way in her country, too.
    Then post something from any license application that denotes something about procreation. Links are required. If you cannot, then admit you are wrong.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Refusing to accept that marriage was license to raise a family is also moronic.
    Firstly, it is incorrect to accept that marriage is anything but a license to marry. Each person's purpose for marrying is about THEM and has nothing to do with the licence process. If you think otherwise, then again, show proof of where on the license application anything to do with procreation of the couple appears. Secondly, RAISING a family is an important component of societal sanctioning of marriage. RAISING a family, not procreating. Gays can do the former just as well as straights.

    Operating a motor vehicle without a license is merely a misdemeanor. Operating on a patient without a license is a felony. Having children without a license wasn't punishable by law but it rendered the child illegitimate. You can't argue against this without looking truly ignorant.
    False equivalency, Comparing legal violations to the morals of SOME is an invalid comparison and makes your position look foolish.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Yes. If you do something without a license, it is illegitimate. Like having a child out of wedlock. Like operating a business without a license. Like operating a car without a license. Like anything you do without a license.... illegitimate. Get it yet or are you still going to ply the disingenuous angle?
    YOU are the one being disengenuous. Operating a business without a license is ILLEGAL. Operating a car without a license is ILLEGAL. Having a kid without a marriage license is NOT illegal. You cannot compare two things that are dissimilar and claim that you've made a point. The only point you've made is proving yourself wrong.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I'm serious. When the states are required to defend their definition and requirements for marriage, you can bet your ass the intent and design of marriage as a state sanctioned institution will be the bulk of that defense. This case wasn't about that, which is why you didn't hear those arguments. This was all about whether the federal government could refuse to accept the definition of marriage that the states decided upon. The fact that the supreme court ruled that they couldn't isn't the silver bullet you may think it is. It actually strengthens the state's rights to define marriage even if it's not the definition you want it to be.
    and you and your proponents would be laughed right out of the court. Did you even pay attention to the anti-marriage equality groups. They rejected those arguments outright...and I would bet that they know a wee bit more about what will fly and what would be considered completely and utterly ridiculous...than you do.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Marriage was the license for having children.
    No it wasn't. If you think it was, prove it by showing anywhere, past or present, on a licensing application, the need for procreation.

    Have a bastard and the child is illegitimate.
    That's a moral statement, irrelevant to the legal issue we are discussing.

    I know you really want to argue your way around this but that much is true. Marriage was the de facto license for bearing children and doing it any other way was illegitimate.

    Since the tack is disingenuous, let me help by offering the definition of illegitimate. Maybe that will help put this into perspective.

    il·le·git·i·mate
    /ˌiləˈjitəmit/
    Adjective
    1) Not authorized by the law; not in accordance with accepted standards or rules: "an illegitimate exercise of power by the military".
    2) (of a child) Born of parents not lawfully married to each other.
    Since there is and never has been a law prohibiting having a child out of wedlock, the ONLY part of your definitions that fit is "not in accordance with accepted standards or rules" which is a moral issue and therefore irrelevant to our discussion. Your point is negated.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No it wasn't. If you think it was, prove it by showing anywhere, past or present, on a licensing application, the need for procreation.



    That's a moral statement, irrelevant to the legal issue we are discussing.



    Since there is and never has been a law prohibiting having a child out of wedlock, the ONLY part of your definitions that fit is "not in accordance with accepted standards or rules" which is a moral issue and therefore irrelevant to our discussion. Your point is negated.
    Incredible isn't it.

    This argument has failed for years.

    The right wing bubble has collapsed in regards to this issue.

    And they simply cannot mentally comprehend that the game is over.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ever been to prison?
    Know the difference between orientation and behavior?
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Late to the party, but I wanted to chime in on this very sensitive issue anyway.

    First up, this Wikipedia link on marriage licenses in the U.S. with a brief but very good history behind the requirements. It should be noted, however, that prior to formal requirement of a marriage license as we know it today, cohabitation via "common-law" was the accepted norm among the states in this country. In fact, common-law marriages are still accepted in many states. For that reason, I find it very fascinating that so many people - politicians, as well as ordinary citizens - got so wrapped up over this marriage issue. Now, to the heart of the matter...

    The Supreme Court ruling really wasn't about divining marriage contrary to how some are and have framed the argument. It really was about equal protection under the law. Yes, I know some folks who have posted to this thread think otherwise, but that only illustrates how they aren't thinking the matter through. The case that was before the Supreme Court dealt with a very simple matter:

    "How is that a couple who has been lawfully web in a state where gay marriage is legal not be allowed to their spouse's death benefits under Social Security since DOMA does not recognize marriage between two members of the same sex?"
    As most folks know, DOMA - the Defense of Marriage Act - stipulates that the federal government will only recognize marriage between a man and a woman. However, marriages are neither "licensed" nor "sanctioned" at the federal level. Their legality takes place as the state level (licensing). Moreover, with the exception of common-law marriages, most if not all are sanctioned by the church (regardless of religious affiliation). So, what you really have here is a state's rights issue combined with a "separation of church and state" issue. With this in mind, the Supreme Court had no other choice but to declare DOMA unconstitutional because:

    1. Marriage legality has long been "licensed" by the states;

    2. Under federal law, the surviving spouse is legally entitled to claim the survivor's benefits of their deceased spouse (Social Security); and,

    3. Most marriages are sanctioned by the church, not the federal government.

    It really is that simple.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Do I need to provide you links that say "homosexuality is a behavior"? Probably not. We can find links to say anything we want, and it's superfluous since it's obvious that homosexuality is a behavior. Lusting is a behavior. If you lust after or engage in sex with someone of the same sex, you are a homosexual. It's defined by behavior and you can shout "bull****" from dusk till dawn and it won't change that.
    You do not know the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. This is a major reason why your arguments keep failing. Sexual orientation is a state of being. Sexual behaviors are ACTIONS. Firstly, one is a noun and the other is a verb. Secondly, sexual behaviors that gays do, straights can do... and do. You cannot define someone by their sexual behaviors, only by their orientation. There, now you know. Hopefully, this will assist you in not making this error again.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    If someone can choose to have sex with someone they are not attracted to, how can you say they have no control over their attractions?
    You just contradicted yourself, all in one sentence.
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