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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    LOL. You aren't very familiar with cultural history. You can drive a car without a license, too, but society frowns on that just as much as society used to frown on having children out of wedlock.
    Driving a car without a license is a crime. Having a child out of wedlock isn't. Conflating cultural distaste with legal ramifications is moronic.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Biological imperative, not sexual selection.
    Biological imperative is not that simple either. And this is stated in everything written on biological imperative. For instance, some species will run from predators leaving their offspring behind to be eaten in an effort to buy time for them to escape and presumably be more likely to have more offspring that have a better chance of not being eaten, whereas other species will stay and try to protect their offspring instead, in an effort to avoid having to find and use more resources to try to make more offspring they have no way of knowing whether they would produce. Both of these situations are considered part of biological imperative to protect offspring. Because protecting offspring til they reach reproductive ability is just as important as actually producing the offspring. A species can produce as many offspring as they want but if none or very few make it to reproduce themselves, then they still will not last long as a species. Homosexuality can add to this part of the biological imperative, making it more likely for more children, particularly within a certain family, to reach the age of reproduction.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    license = permission. Marriage licences WERE, in fact, societal permission to have children. It was the very purpose of marriage. And not just here. My wife is Irish and it was that way in her country, too.
    We are talking about laws in this day and age, not the past.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Driving a car without a license is a crime. Having a child out of wedlock isn't. Conflating cultural distaste with legal ramifications is moronic.
    Refusing to accept that marriage was license to raise a family is also moronic. Operating a motor vehicle without a license is merely a misdemeanor. Operating on a patient without a license is a felony. Having children without a license wasn't punishable by law but it rendered the child illegitimate. You can't argue against this without looking truly ignorant.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Refusing to accept that marriage was license to raise a family is also moronic. Operating a motor vehicle without a license is merely a misdemeanor. Operating on a patient without a license is a felony. Having children without a license wasn't punishable by law but it rendered the child illegitimate. You can't argue against this without looking truly ignorant.
    You've just pointed out how your analogy fails, and me arguing against you makes me look ignorant? Wow. Can I have some of what you're taking?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We are talking about laws in this day and age, not the past.
    But isn't this whole discussion really about change? I'm telling you what marriage was and why I and so man others think it is what it is. You are telling me what you think it should be. This is the dynamic of change. You are probably younger than I am and eventually the youth will win this one, for better or worse we do not know yet. As Alito said, we are not in a position to know that we are making the right judgment on this if we change it. We won't know for years and years. I do, however, accept that it is inevitable. And I think active and vehement debate is part of the process.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Well, apparently bull has found the definition/criteria for suspect class.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You've just pointed out how your analogy fails, and me arguing against you makes me look ignorant? Wow. Can I have some of what you're taking?
    Yes. If you do something without a license, it is illegitimate. Like having a child out of wedlock. Like operating a business without a license. Like operating a car without a license. Like anything you do without a license.... illegitimate. Get it yet or are you still going to ply the disingenuous angle?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Refusing to accept that marriage was license to raise a family is also moronic. Operating a motor vehicle without a license is merely a misdemeanor. Operating on a patient without a license is a felony. Having children without a license wasn't punishable by law but it rendered the child illegitimate. You can't argue against this without looking truly ignorant.
    A marriage license is required to enter into a marriage contract. This is the problem that comes with calling it a "marriage license". Once the license is filed, unlike other state issued licenses, the marriage license becomes a contract. It is no longer a license at all. It is now a contract and contracts act much differently than licenses and there are no obligations in the state laws pertaining to a marriage contract for procreation.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Well, apparently bull has found the definition/criteria for suspect class.
    Yeah, gee whiz.... how could such a clever trap as the one you thought you had set have been found out.

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