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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    All that would make so much sense if I hadn't heard every last bit of it before, as has my mother when she was young, my grandparents and going all the way back. Young people think everything is new and they like change, that a given. Also a given, MOST of them grow up and head right on back to the values their parents taught them.
    The thing that doesn't change is generations not wanting to change from what is familiar to them. Once that change begins, what is familiar to them is the new set of ideals/morals, and resistance is to change of that new ideal.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, this is getting beyond stupid, the criteria for a suspect class includes whether these classes are contributing meaningfully to society. The groups you mentioned, as defined by their identification, do not.

    You are reducing your argument to absurdity.
    I think you'd be very hard pressed to argue that the gaggle of giggles that is the gay community, defined entirely by it's behavior "contributes meaningfully to society" as a group. As individuals they may "contribute to society" just as a child molestor might be a scientist working on a cure for cancer when he's not molesting children. But as a group, there is no significant contribution unless you place a lot more value on the "societal contribution" of interior design or drag queen revues than I do.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    I know I don't, prison sucks.
    I meant rhetorically, but I suspect you know that already.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Since we can't prove it is immutable, it's reasonable to assume it is not. As already mentioned to you, religion is a constitution protected right. Homosexual activity is not.
    Many things are not specifically protected by the Constitution. Is age an "immutable characteristic"? What about disability? Can someone not change their disability status either to being disabled or their level of disability or to no longer disabled depending on what happens or technology? Disability is protected.

    Tell me, is being behind on child support an immutable characteristic? What about being an inmate in prison? Marriage laws have been struck down that restricted people from marriage based on these specific characteristics. And same sex marriage restrictions are based on sex/gender, not sexuality.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think you'd be very hard pressed to argue that the gaggle of giggles that is the gay community, defined entirely by it's behavior "contributes meaningfully to society" as a group. As individuals they may "contribute to society" just as a child molestor might be a scientist working on a cure for cancer when he's not molesting children. But as a group, there is no significant contribution unless you place a lot more value on the "societal contribution" of interior design or drag queen revues than I do.
    They contribute just as much as heterosexuals.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think you'd be very hard pressed to argue that the gaggle of giggles that is the gay community, defined entirely by it's behavior "contributes meaningfully to society" as a group. As individuals they may "contribute to society" just as a child molestor might be a scientist working on a cure for cancer when he's not molesting children. But as a group, there is no significant contribution unless you place a lot more value on the "societal contribution" of interior design or drag queen revues than I do.
    If all you know about gays is stereotypes, then yes. Since gays are people, not stereotypes, most of them have regular jobs and pay their taxes the same as everyone else.


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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think you'd be very hard pressed to argue that the gaggle of giggles that is the gay community, defined entirely by it's behavior "contributes meaningfully to society" as a group.
    Bull****.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Do I need to provide you links that say "homosexuality is a behavior"? Probably not. We can find links to say anything we want, and it's superfluous since it's obvious that homosexuality is a behavior. Lusting is a behavior. If you lust after or engage in sex with someone of the same sex, you are a homosexual. It's defined by behavior and you can shout "bull****" from dusk till dawn and it won't change that.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Regardless of the points raised, opponents of same-sex marriages simply feel that by allowing same-sex couples to marry society is not only condoning sin, but their own “traditional” marriages are being defiled in some way.

    I find this belief strange for many reasons. The first being, if your God or Gods truly oppose same-sex marriage then He, or They, have the power to act on that by simply “smiting the blasphemers with great wroth!”

    If you are Christian, that is clearly stated in the Bible. In point of fact Jesus made it very, very, VERY clear by both direct commands and several examples, that every human contains sin and therefore NONE are qualified to judge or condemn other human sinners. Only God has that right and authority.

    But aside from religion, how can anyone in a “traditional” marriage claim that their marriage is somehow demeaned if same-sex couples are allowed to legally marry too? In what way? None of your marital rights are removed. All of your vows are still in full force. Your children are still “legitimate.” No one is forcing you to “like” it. You are still entitled to both your personal opinion and right to choose whom to, and whom not to, associate with in personal interactions. You are still kings and queens in your own homes.

    In fact, I have not heard a single, specific, reason or example, showing how any “traditional” marriage is actually harmed by allowing same-sex marriages to exist. It is INSANE to claim that just because a fellow human being shares your liberty rights this somehow demeans those rights. Please, someone explain it to me like I am a “5-year-old” because I just don’t get it.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If all you know about gays is stereotypes, then yes. Since gays are people, not stereotypes, most of them have regular jobs and pay their taxes the same as everyone else.
    So does most any other group defined entirely by their behavior except maybe the "freestuffers" that make up most of the rest of the left.

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