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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Nonsense. You can't judge yesterday's societal more's by today's hypersensitivities. Well, you can, if you want, but it's not intellectually honest to do so.
    Yet, you want to continue to practice yesterday's societal mores just because of your personal dislike of same sex couples wanting to be viewed as married?

    And are you trying to tell me that we shouldn't consider it shameful that people used to think that owning slaves was okay, or that married women couldn't claim rape by their husband, or that women were treated as property in the past by men, or that non-whites in many places in our country were viewed as "second class citizens"?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I know better than to buy YOUR spin that this is a "huge win". It's a win. But it's not what you wanted. I know it and you know it. I was talking and debating and arguing this a long time before the hearing and I know that you and your "community" going into this considered anything short of striking down DOMA in it's entirety, a loss. Your "community" felt that gay marriage was going to be the law of the land eventually and if the supreme court didn't make it happen the first chance it had, that it would be a sad day and a big loss. They had the chance and they made the narrowest rulings possible and I know this was a big disappointment despite the charade of major victory. It was a minor victory but a lot less than you hoped for and a lot less than you expected.
    Don't worry--they are going to run the train off the rails. I have seen a few comments here and there on the web suggesting gays are now going to be wanting reparations because of all the financial benefits they were denied. The comments were along the lines of "Now they are going to have to pay me for all the money the government has cheated me out of."

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Agreed.

    Time will tell. I would certainly see the ruling as a victory for SSM though - not as big as it could have been (especially given the not-total-thrashing dealt to Prop 8), but certainly a step in the right direction.
    It was a victory. A small victory. One that seemed inevitable. States get to define marriage and it seemed like a real hail mary to try to write a federal law undermining the states' rights to do that by refusing to accept the state certification of marriage however the state deemed it should be.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yet, you want to continue to practice yesterday's societal mores just because of your personal dislike of same sex couples wanting to be viewed as married?

    And are you trying to tell me that we shouldn't consider it shameful that people used to think that owning slaves was okay, or that married women couldn't claim rape by their husband, or that women were treated as property in the past by men, or that non-whites in many places in our country were viewed as "second class citizens"?
    Don't tell me what I want or don't want. I want society to legislate marriage as it should. When the majority of people in each of the 50 states is ready for gay marriage, then those states will legislate gay marriage. As others pointed out quite correctly, the people are the state. The people will have to decide marriage has morphed from an institution designed to be the fundamental building block of society into something different - a consent-based agreement to cohabitate with shared property.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Don't tell me what I want or don't want. I want society to legislate marriage as it should. When the majority of people in each of the 50 states is ready for gay marriage, then those states will legislate gay marriage. As others pointed out quite correctly, the people are the state. The people will have to decide marriage has morphed from an institution designed to be the fundamental building block of society into something different - a consent-based agreement to cohabitate with shared property.
    Why should we not use the Constitution to strike down laws that violate the Constitution and the protections it guarantees to its citizens? It is stupid to have a Constitution to protect the people from the majority/government if the people are not supposed to use it to do just that.

    The individuals of the states should have more protections than the states, and that is a constitutional right enacted by the 14th Amendment.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Don't tell me what I want or don't want. I want society to legislate marriage as it should. When the majority of people in each of the 50 states is ready for gay marriage, then those states will legislate gay marriage. As others pointed out quite correctly, the people are the state. The people will have to decide marriage has morphed from an institution designed to be the fundamental building block of society into something different - a consent-based agreement to cohabitate with shared property.
    So a persons only should have liberty if the majority votes to allow it?

    That is an interesting opinion on freedom.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    10 years it will be legal in all 50.
    Wouldn't have always agreed with that, but I do now. It's what the social engineers want, not what the people want anymore.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wouldn't have always agreed with that, but I do now. It's what the social engineers want, not what the people want anymore.
    People want liberty.

    Slave owners were mad when they lost them the haters will be mad again.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wouldn't have always agreed with that, but I do now. It's what the social engineers want, not what the people want anymore.
    It is what the people want, particularly the younger generations. This isn't about "social engineering" but rather about changing beliefs in views on homosexuality and marriage that are much more in line with our country's ideals of freedom and rights.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    So a persons only should have liberty if the majority votes to allow it?

    That is an interesting opinion on freedom.
    Wow, asking for liberty while endorsing that the government just effectively took away the will of the people. Good move.

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