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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You can call it a silly argument, but it's a fact that marriage was designed to create a suitable environment for procreation and support of that family Like I said before, the fact that procreation is not a condition of marriage does not refute the fact that it was the purpose of marriage. Nor does the fact that people have children out of wedlock refute that fact. Again, as I said before, there was a time not so long ago that having a child out of wedlock was a horrible disgrace and having a marriage with no children... a great pain and personal embarrassment. Childless marriages were not something to be proud of.

    Homosexuals might not be willing to admit these facts since they run counter to their agenda, but denying the facts doesn't make the facts go away or render them false. All it does is demonstrate an utter contempt for honesty by advocates of homosexuality.
    Irrelevant. That argument wouldn't make it 5 minutes in front of the Supreme Court which is exactly why the opponents of marriage equality chose wisely not to attempt to make them. They would have been laughed out of the courtroom.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's exactly what I predicted would happen and most people predicted would happen. I understand why homosexuals claim it's a big step. In reality, it was a big disappointment, but not a total loss for the "homosexual community". Politically, they have to put on their game face and call it a huge win, though. It's how the game gets played.
    It was a big step.

    The cause will advace more in the next 10 years than it has in the last 10 years.

    We have come a very long way.

    It was only 16 years ago Ellen came out on tv. Wow things have changed.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's exactly what I predicted would happen and most people predicted would happen. I understand why homosexuals claim it's a big step. In reality, it was a big disappointment, but not a total loss for the "homosexual community". Politically, they have to put on their game face and call it a huge win, though. It's how the game gets played.
    LOL....are you seriously buying your own spin? "Not a total loss"? The only people who don't see yesterday's decision as a HUGE win for marriage equality and gay rights in general are the bigots who are desperately clinging to the last vestiges of government sponsored discrimination. 90% of the nation see gay marriage as an inevitability. The 10% who don't have their blinders on and are praying in vain for a miracle. Why do you think Scalia was so vitriolic in his dissent? Even Scalia said that the writing is on the wall.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Irrelevant. That argument wouldn't make it 5 minutes in front of the Supreme Court which is exactly why the opponents of marriage equality chose wisely not to attempt to make them. They would have been laughed out of the courtroom.
    That argument wasn't pertinent to the case at hand. It very likely WILL be pertinent when the next suit in the future comes up requiring the state (any of the 50 states that do not allow gay marriage) to argue the case that the state sees no benefit or purpose to gay marriage. The purpose of marriage will very much be in play at that time. It is a state sanctioned and state defined institution and I have no doubt the state will be forced to defend it's definition. That's when we'll be hearing all about the purpose of marriage and why the state gets to choose which relationships it deems appropriate to sanction.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    It was a big step.

    The cause will advace more in the next 10 years than it has in the last 10 years.

    We have come a very long way.

    It was only 16 years ago Ellen came out on tv. Wow things have changed.
    It won't take 10 years. I suspect big changes will occur in the next 1-3 years. The opponents of marriage equality are losing the war in every arena, including public opinion. The next year will see more and more legislatures make the changes, more and more ballot initiatives/popular vote granting marriage equality and most likely in the next couple of years, a Supreme Court decision making marriage equality the law of the land for the entire nation, even the backwoods southern states.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That argument wasn't pertinent to the case at hand. It very likely WILL be pertinent when the next suit in the future comes up requiring the state (any of the 50 states that do not allow gay marriage) to argue the case that the state sees no benefit or purpose to gay marriage. The purpose of marriage will very much be in play at that time. It is a state sanctioned and state defined institution and I have no doubt the state will be forced to defend it's definition. That's when we'll be hearing all about the purpose of marriage and why the state gets to choose which relationships it deems appropriate to sanction.
    LOl...are you serious? If you are...you are fooling yourself. The opponents of marriage equality considered making the argument but wisely decided against it. They were even public in announcing that the claim wouldn't hold water. You either don't get out much or are desperately trying to grasp for straws. Don't know which.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....are you seriously buying your own spin? "Not a total loss"? The only people who don't see yesterday's decision as a HUGE win for marriage equality and gay rights in general are the bigots who are desperately clinging to the last vestiges of government sponsored discrimination. 90% of the nation see gay marriage as an inevitability. The 10% who don't have their blinders on and are praying in vain for a miracle. Why do you think Scalia was so vitriolic in his dissent? Even Scalia said that the writing is on the wall.
    I know better than to buy YOUR spin that this is a "huge win". It's a win. But it's not what you wanted. I know it and you know it. I was talking and debating and arguing this a long time before the hearing and I know that you and your "community" going into this considered anything short of striking down DOMA in it's entirety, a loss. Your "community" felt that gay marriage was going to be the law of the land eventually and if the supreme court didn't make it happen the first chance it had, that it would be a sad day and a big loss. They had the chance and they made the narrowest rulings possible and I know this was a big disappointment despite the charade of major victory. It was a minor victory but a lot less than you hoped for and a lot less than you expected.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I know better than to buy YOUR spin that this is a "huge win". It's a win. But it's not what you wanted. I know it and you know it. I was talking and debating and arguing this a long time before the hearing and I know that you and your "community" going into this considered anything short of striking down DOMA in it's entirety, a loss. Your "community" felt that gay marriage was going to be the law of the land eventually and if the supreme court didn't make it happen the first chance it had, that it would be a sad day and a big loss. They had the chance and they made the narrowest rulings possible and I know this was a big disappointment despite the charade of major victory. It was a minor victory but a lot less than you hoped for and a lot less than you expected.
    ROTFL.... Even FauxNews called it a huge win for gay marriage. Who are you trying to kid? No one is buying your desperate attempts here. You are just exposing your desperation.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The new view of marriage isn't a homosexual ploy. It is merely marriage morphing from it's roots to something else and this change is something that homosexuals are exploiting. I actually agree with the way it's happening, too. Through legislation state by state. When society is ready to agree that marriage has changed into the consent-based view from it's origins, then it will be ready to accept that gay marriage makes some sense. It's not going to happen overnight though because it's too big of a change to happen that quickly.
    Agreed.

    I know the homosexual community is crowing and throwing parties.... but I also know that despite all the claims of overwhelming victory, this wasn't the victory they wanted. I know that what homosexuals really wanted was for the Supreme Court to force the hand of all 50 states. It's not going to happen. Not anytime soon, anyway. Maybe in another 20-40 years.
    Time will tell. I would certainly see the ruling as a victory for SSM though - not as big as it could have been (especially given the not-total-thrashing dealt to Prop 8), but certainly a step in the right direction.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOl...are you serious? If you are...you are fooling yourself. The opponents of marriage equality considered making the argument but wisely decided against it. They were even public in announcing that the claim wouldn't hold water. You either don't get out much or are desperately trying to grasp for straws. Don't know which.
    I'm serious. When the states are required to defend their definition and requirements for marriage, you can bet your ass the intent and design of marriage as a state sanctioned institution will be the bulk of that defense. This case wasn't about that, which is why you didn't hear those arguments. This was all about whether the federal government could refuse to accept the definition of marriage that the states decided upon. The fact that the supreme court ruled that they couldn't isn't the silver bullet you may think it is. It actually strengthens the state's rights to define marriage even if it's not the definition you want it to be.

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