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Thread: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    The right wing insanity.

    PC LIBBs want to control our thoughts and language. We cant use the N word.

    Marriage is our word we want a law that you can't use it.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    If you dont want to get gay married why not just not get gay married?

    What harm is someone else's gay marriage do to you?
    None to me, personally, but it's the state's call because it's the state's institution. They define it. They regulate it. They deal with the fallout from the divorces that clog their courts. They deal with the tax issues. They know what they created it to accomplish. It's not my decision or your decision, it's "the peoples" decision. The people are the state. My personal opinion is that it does not further the design or intent of marriage to call two homosexual partners "married" and treat them as though they were. And while you may find the argument "why not" to be compelling, I think the onus is on homosexuals to prove that there is a win for the state in doing this. So far, all I've seen is an adversarial stance and militant rhetoric.... I was actually in favor of giving any couple the same rights if they wanted to sign up for it before getting engaged by some militant homosexual mouthpieces that made it clear to me that it wasn't about rights at all, but about the same attention-seeking behavior that drives gay pride parades and flamboyant drag queens. Leaders of the "homosexual community" actually declined civil unions because it would interfere with their chances to win on gay "marriage". The "rights" could have been secured quite some time ago, but that wasn't really the purpose. I think it's a shame that homosexuals have so little respect for our civilization and culture that they would use marriage as political football just to make another attention-seeking statement. But that's what's happening. It's never been about rights. That's just the argument they decided would work best.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    None to me, personally, but it's the state's call because it's the state's institution. They define it. They regulate it. They deal with the fallout from the divorces that clog their courts. They deal with the tax issues. They know what they created it to accomplish. It's not my decision or your decision, it's "the peoples" decision. The people are the state. My personal opinion is that it does not further the design or intent of marriage to call two homosexual partners "married" and treat them as though they were. And while you may find the argument "why not" to be compelling, I think the onus is on homosexuals to prove that there is a win for the state in doing this. So far, all I've seen is an adversarial stance and militant rhetoric.... I was actually in favor of giving any couple the same rights if they wanted to sign up for it before getting engaged by some militant homosexual mouthpieces that made it clear to me that it wasn't about rights at all, but about the same attention-seeking behavior that drives gay pride parades and flamboyant drag queens. Leaders of the "homosexual community" actually declined civil unions because it would interfere with their chances to win on gay "marriage". The "rights" could have been secured quite some time ago, but that wasn't really the purpose. I think it's a shame that homosexuals have so little respect for our civilization and culture that they would use marriage as political football just to make another attention-seeking statement. But that's what's happening. It's never been about rights. That's just the argument they decided would work best.
    We the people are the state.

    I think it's a shame that some are so right wing PC about a word they would deny liberty to other humans so others cant use the word in a country with freedom if speech.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    The entirety of this post is an ad hom with no substance and a lot of unsupported assertions and falsehoods. I don't see the point in taking it seriously, to be honest.

    Au contraire, the court opinion states that

    "By history and tradition the definition and regulation of marriage has been treated as being within the authority and realm of the separate States".

    and describes marriage as being wanted so that people could "affirm their commitment to one another". It summarises gay marriage, when permitted by NYC, as:

    "For same-sex couples who wished to be married, the State acted to give their lawful conduct a lawful status. This status is a far-reaching legal acknowledgment of the intimate relationship between two people, a relationship deemed by the State worthy of dignity in the community equal with all other marriages. It reflects both the community’s considered perspective on the historical roots of the institution of marriage and its evolving understanding of the meaning of equality"

    In fact, Alito agrees with me. He references both views of marriage - the 'traditional' view which you are insisting is the only one, and the 'consent-based' view, which is gender-unbiased. He then goes on to say that "Windsor and the United States implicitly ask us to endorse the consent-based view of marriage and to reject the traditional view" - in other words, he thinks that the Majority opinion is an implicit endorsement of a view of marriage which you refuse to admit exists, except for as a homosexual ploy.
    The new view of marriage isn't a homosexual ploy. It is merely marriage morphing from it's roots to something else and this change is something that homosexuals are exploiting. I actually agree with the way it's happening, too. Through legislation state by state. When society is ready to agree that marriage has changed into the consent-based view from it's origins, then it will be ready to accept that gay marriage makes some sense. It's not going to happen overnight though because it's too big of a change to happen that quickly.

    I know the homosexual community is crowing and throwing parties.... but I also know that despite all the claims of overwhelming victory, this wasn't the victory they wanted. I know that what homosexuals really wanted was for the Supreme Court to force the hand of all 50 states. It's not going to happen. Not anytime soon, anyway. Maybe in another 20-40 years.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The new view of marriage isn't a homosexual ploy. It is merely marriage morphing from it's roots to something else and this change is something that homosexuals are exploiting. I actually agree with the way it's happening, too. Through legislation state by state. When society is ready to agree that marriage has changed into the consent-based view from it's origins, then it will be ready to accept that gay marriage makes some sense. It's not going to happen overnight though because it's too big of a change to happen that quickly.

    I know the homosexual community is crowing and throwing parties.... but I also know that despite all the claims of overwhelming victory, this wasn't the victory they wanted. I know that what homosexuals really wanted was for the Supreme Court to force the hand of all 50 states. It's not going to happen. Not anytime soon, anyway. Maybe in another 20-40 years.
    10 years it will be legal in all 50.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    We the people are the state.

    I think it's a shame that some are so right wing PC about a word they would deny liberty to other humans so others cant use the word in a country with freedom if speech.
    I think it's a shame that we care so little about the traditions of society that we would redefine marriage on the whim of the minority rather than extend equal rights in an appropriate alternative to marriage.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    10 years it will be legal in all 50.
    I guess we'll see, won't we. Lots of homosexuals thought it would be legal today. They were wrong about that, too.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I guess we'll see, won't we. Lots of homosexuals thought it would be legal today. They were wrong about that, too.
    It was a very big step.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If it was shameful, then it needed to be changed, as it has, and shows that those roots, no matter either our beliefs on them truly, were not noble and need not be considered valid in this argument.
    Nonsense. You can't judge yesterday's societal more's by today's hypersensitivities. Well, you can, if you want, but it's not intellectually honest to do so.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    It was a very big step.
    It's exactly what I predicted would happen and most people predicted would happen. I understand why homosexuals claim it's a big step. In reality, it was a big disappointment, but not a total loss for the "homosexual community". Politically, they have to put on their game face and call it a huge win, though. It's how the game gets played.

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