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Thread: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Results are results.. If the survey question(s) is tilted to show someone's ideology... well that's never been done before has it? Your ideology doesn't accept the findings of this survey. Not at all a surprise.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Results are results.. If the survey question(s) is tilted to show someone's ideology... well that's never been done before has it? Your ideology doesn't accept the findings of this survey.
    And the results do not show what you are claiming. They do not say that those people are completely against same sex marriage. Because when given no other option (as they shouldn't be), many choose allowing same sex couples to marry, not no recognition.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Did I miss something? Does the survey claim that those who agreed with legal SS partnerships meant SSM?

    I agree with legal SS partnerships but not SSM.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Did I miss something? Does the survey claim that those who agreed with legal SS partnerships meant SSM?
    No, you tried to claim that if they said something other than marriage that meant they didn't support same sex marriage. It simply isn't true. When given no other choice, as they should not be given, they support same sex marriage. There is no other option nationally than marriage and no legitimate effort to put any other recognition in place. Most benefits/protections come from the federal government, not the state, so this is very important. If it isn't marriage, it isn't recognized by the federal government. And civil unions have been shown to be a stepping stone to marriage for same sex couples. Many of those states that have allowed same sex couples civil unions have already allowed them to just legally marry. And several more are working on just allowing them to marry. No state is simply leaving it at "civil unions for same sex couples", so that makes that a financially stupid arrangement.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Why do I continually try to debate with an ideologue?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Why do I continually try to debate with an ideologue?
    You're debating with Ontology?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Did I miss something? Does the survey claim that those who agreed with legal SS partnerships meant SSM?

    I agree with legal SS partnerships but not SSM.
    No, but given that the survey was single-response only, choosing one answer does not indicate your opposition to any other - merely your preferred outcome. Someone might prefer same sex marriage by any other name, but would support SSM if "by any other name" was not an option - which is almost certainly the case, as indicated by the majorities support on the pure "pro-SSM vs anti-SSM" question.

    As for why "Homarriage" (or any other euphamism) is offensive - it's another analogy with racism. One drinking fountain for blacks, one for whites - one partnership for straights, one for gays. "Separate but equal" does not work.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Oh, and the requirement to procreate is my argument with you, refuting your entire position. Btw... did you ever find any of that evidence that shows that there is a requirement to procreate in any marriage license paperwork? I asked you for it to prove your position, but I haven't seen it. Feel free to post it when you are ready.
    Actually, you are all wet on this argument with Ontologyguy. Procreation isn't a condition of marriage but it absolutely was and still is the general purpose of marriage. You don't have to own a car to get a driver's license. You aren't forced to go hunting after you buy a hunting license. You don't have to know how to tie a hook onto a line in order to get a fishing license and you don't have to prove you will bear children and/or validate your marriage by bearing children in order to get a marriage license. But the purpose of a driver's license is for driving. Fishing license for fishing. Hunting license for hunting and a marriage license for procreating and raising a family.

    Alito was absolutely right and people who deny this are either stupid or dishonest.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Actually, you are all wet on this argument with Ontologyguy. Procreation isn't a condition of marriage but it absolutely was and still is the general purpose of marriage. You don't have to own a car to get a driver's license. You aren't forced to go hunting after you buy a hunting license. You don't have to know how to tie a hook onto a line in order to get a fishing license and you don't have to prove you will bear children and/or validate your marriage by bearing children in order to get a marriage license. But the purpose of a driver's license is for driving. Fishing license for fishing. Hunting license for hunting and a marriage license for procreating and raising a family.

    Alito was absolutely right and people who deny this are either stupid or dishonest.
    ....and make up the majority of the Supreme Court. Sucks to have your POV, it seems.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    No, but given that the survey was single-response only, choosing one answer does not indicate your opposition to any other - merely your preferred outcome. Someone might prefer same sex marriage by any other name, but would support SSM if "by any other name" was not an option - which is almost certainly the case, as indicated by the majorities support on the pure "pro-SSM vs anti-SSM" question.

    As for why "Homarriage" (or any other euphamism) is offensive - it's another analogy with racism. One drinking fountain for blacks, one for whites - one partnership for straights, one for gays. "Separate but equal" does not work.
    Your gayness is showing. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

    Marriage is a sanctioned partnership for heterosexuals. "Breeders" as homosexuals like to call them. (also known to homosexuals as "straights", like you seem to prefer calling them).

    Homosexuality is the "alternative lifestyle". An alternative to marriage seems entirely appropriate.

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