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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are talking about the styling. I am talking about the mechanical DESIGN of the vehicle. Unions had little to nothing to do with the designing of Detroit's vehicles, that was all done in the executive. It was their poor design choices that directly lead to the decline of the US auto industry....along with the absolute lack of industrial planning....that lead to the subsequent decline of Detroit.
    Competitiveness requires cost effectiveness, and that requires cost considerations when designing...
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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes yes...the city fathers are responsible for the
    decline of the US auto industry.

    Scapegoating rather than understanding we have no industrial policy is the way of low intelligence conservatives.
    Wow, that's short sighted, and by the way I thought Obama saved GM ?

    Liberal Democrats ruined that city and are responsible for the disaster that is California.

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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are talking about the styling. I am talking about the mechanical DESIGN of the vehicle. Unions had little to nothing to do with the designing of Detroit's vehicles, that was all done in the executive. It was their poor design choices that directly lead to the decline of the US auto industry....along with the absolute lack of industrial planning....that lead to the subsequent decline of Detroit.
    Fine, tomato/tomatoe. I'm telling YOU that the reason I won't buy a GM/Ford/Chrysler is because the interior design/style/WHATEVER is cheap-assed when compared to Volvo, Lexus and others. When the Big Three are more concerned with managing their employees' pension plans and reining in union demands, it's not a bit surprising the whole industry suffered. They had/have a 900# gorilla on their backs -- only now are they recovering from their mistaken largess.
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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's not. If you're wondering why Detroit didn't react with smaller engines and thus greater gas mileage, well, power vehicles were their schtick. They did change body styles (design), which added some small mileage increases, but it would have never have been enough to compete in the high gas mileage market without sacrificing what they were known for - power vehicles.

    And the market for power vehicles returned. Detroit did not have the flexibility (because of the unions) to ride out the temporarily weak market for their vehicles.
    Uh...if you hadn't noticed, mileage is mostly a matter of power AND weight. Weight was always the issue, that is always a matter of design. But you just admitted, they were locked into a 0.50 cent/gallon mentality, big and heavy.....while EVERYONE went light and small. GM's answer was the Chevette or Vega. It was not the unions designing this.
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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Fine, tomato/tomatoe. I'm telling YOU that the reason I won't buy a GM/Ford/Chrysler is because the interior design/style/WHATEVER is cheap-assed when compared to Volvo, Lexus and others. When the Big Three are more concerned with managing their employees' pension plans and reining in union demands, it's not a bit surprising the whole industry suffered. They had/have a 900# gorilla on their backs -- only now are they recovering from their mistaken largess.
    This is just stupid, it was not "worries about pensions" that curbed the designs out of the Big 3. It wasn't pensions limiting their transition to modern designs. Unions did not cause their market share losses. It was the lousy cars created.
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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Competitiveness requires cost effectiveness, and that requires cost considerations when designing...
    In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour. Yet Germany’s big three car companies—BMW, Daimler (Mercedes-Benz), and Volkswagen—are very profitable.
    How Germany Builds Twice as Many Cars as the U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice as Much - Forbes
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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh...if you hadn't noticed, mileage is mostly a matter of power AND weight. Weight was always the issue, that is always a matter of design. But you just admitted, they were locked into a 0.50 cent/gallon mentality, big and heavy.....while EVERYONE went light and small. GM's answer was the Chevette or Vega. It was not the unions designing this.
    You've just re-worded what I said without acknowledging it. Yes, their vehicles did remain heavier, and because of this they were more powerful. Power vehicles were their forte. The market for power vehicles returned. They were not able to have the flexibility to make it through the market swing (again, due to the unions).

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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You've just re-worded what I said without acknowledging it. Yes, their vehicles did remain heavier, and because of this they were more powerful. Power vehicles were their forte. The market for power vehicles returned. They were not able to have the flexibility to make it through the market swing (again, due to the unions).
    This is such a stupid argument....what were the Big 3 supposed to do through this "market swing" (the 70's thru 1990)? Sit on their hands? Only produce big cars that no one would buy?

    No.

    They should have been able to design and build vehicles that surpassed the imports. The Big 3 instead thought that fuel prices would return to the old levels, so if they could just wait it out....and keep the old lines going....building sub 20mpg vehicles.
    We know how that turned out. A massive loss of market share that has not returned.
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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who said that you could?

    You are projecting and answering unasked questions.

    A lot of people on the right would like to see America fail, so that they could claim that President Obama failed.

    America will not fail.

    But a lot of out of touch losers on the right will.



    "Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
    LOL, that's funny.

    Newsflash: We're the ones actually doing ALL the work, running the private sector, and generating the revenue that is keeping the system afloat.

    Your side is just catering to lazy losers by promising them you'll steal our money and give it to them.

    Congrats on that.

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    Re: Emergency manager: Detroit won't pay $2.5B it owes

    It isn't all that complicated. The American car companies suffered from lousy management. Management is always responsible for how a company performs.

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