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    FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    What complete BS! The Boston Bombers did their thing with all this surveillance in place. There is no reason to believe the dots would have been connected when their were so many dots to connect in the Boston case. The ball was dropped then and there is no reason to believe it would not have been dropped 9-11. Talk about trying to cover your worthless spying on the American people liar ass.

    "Amid ongoing debate about the propriety of U.S. government programs tracking private citizens' phone and internet use, FBI Director Robert Mueller said Thursday that the government might have prevented the 9/11 terrorist attacks had similar surveillance programs been in place in 2001."

    "Mueller, addressing the House Judiciary Committee just months before the end of his 12-year tenure, outlined a sequence of intelligence data that was collected leading up to the attacks, and argued that the controversial programs, which collect telephone numbers and metadata, could have helped national security experts connect the dots relating to the plan -- and even "derailed" it entirely."

    FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11 - CBS News

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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    What complete BS! The Boston Bombers did their thing with all this surveillance in place. There is no reason to believe the dots would have been connected when their were so many dots to connect in the Boston case. The ball was dropped then and there is no reason to believe it would not have been dropped 9-11. Talk about trying to cover your worthless spying on the American people liar ass.
    "Amid ongoing debate about the propriety of U.S. government programs tracking private citizens' phone and internet use, FBI Director Robert Mueller said Thursday that the government might have prevented the 9/11 terrorist attacks had similar surveillance programs been in place in 2001."

    "Mueller, addressing the House Judiciary Committee just months before the end of his 12-year tenure, outlined a sequence of intelligence data that was collected leading up to the attacks, and argued that the controversial programs, which collect telephone numbers and metadata, could have helped national security experts connect the dots relating to the plan -- and even "derailed" it entirely." FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11 - CBS News
    I guess they would have also stopped newtown, Aurora, Oregon...
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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    Total BS. How does the FBI think that these wide sweeping surveillance programs would have helped when the Russian government warns us we may have a terrorist and we can't get them? BS. I totally agree Sawyer.
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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    It's not surprising that he would say something like this. The government is obviously going to use fear as its main defense of its surveillance programs. It wants to scare its critics into accepting its position. Some people are going to buy into it - hopefully most won't.

    I'm not going to be scared into giving up my 4th Amendment rights.

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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    though i don't like it, i think it has probably stopped some attacks. that being said, it wouldn't have stopped 9/11. all of the computer monitoring in the world can't overcome the mindset at the time. it was simply unimaginable.

    i like that we're having a thorough national discussion about this. i wish that the partisan angle could be removed, though, as it should be. the "patriot" act was passed multiple times with overwhelmingly bipartisan support. i have always been and remain exceptionally uncomfortable with it.

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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    What complete BS! The Boston Bombers did their thing with all this surveillance in place. There is no reason to believe the dots would have been connected when their were so many dots to connect in the Boston case. The ball was dropped then and there is no reason to believe it would not have been dropped 9-11. Talk about trying to cover your worthless spying on the American people liar ass.

    "Amid ongoing debate about the propriety of U.S. government programs tracking private citizens' phone and internet use, FBI Director Robert Mueller said Thursday that the government might have prevented the 9/11 terrorist attacks had similar surveillance programs been in place in 2001."

    "Mueller, addressing the House Judiciary Committee just months before the end of his 12-year tenure, outlined a sequence of intelligence data that was collected leading up to the attacks, and argued that the controversial programs, which collect telephone numbers and metadata, could have helped national security experts connect the dots relating to the plan -- and even "derailed" it entirely."

    FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11 - CBS News
    I'm with you on this one. The USA was forewarned about 9-11 by Israel, France, Russia and Germany and CIA briefings and FBI agents and nothing was done. It's an outright lie to even assert that the current level of internal surveillance could have prevented that. 9-11 flaunted the ineptitude of the First incompetent's leadership, that'd be GWBush hisself, but the decider has the last word and the last word seemed to be "OK, you've covered your ass."

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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    though i don't like it, i think it has probably stopped some attacks.
    I agree with you that it's probably stopped some attacks, but the question for me is "has it prevented attacks that couldn't have been prevented by other means?" I'm not sure that the answer would be "yes."

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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's not surprising that he would say something like this. The government is obviously going to use fear as its main defense of its surveillance programs. It wants to scare its critics into accepting its position. Some people are going to buy into it - hopefully most won't.

    I'm not going to be scared into giving up my 4th Amendment rights.
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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree with you that it's probably stopped some attacks, but the question for me is "has it prevented attacks that couldn't have been prevented by other means?" I'm not sure that the answer would be "yes."
    my guess is yes. my question : given the certainty that this tool is expanding beyond terrorism and into general law enforcement, is this something that we want? if so, shouldn't the fourth amendment be amended rather than legislated around?

    there is an astounding potential for abuse here.

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    Re: FBI director: Surveillance programs might have prevented 9/11

    Director Mueller was probably told by Obama to get up there & lie or he would be purged much the same as anyone else who has disagreed with this regime. I would also point out that 9-11 probably could have been prevented had Bill Clinton taken Bin Laden from Sudan when he was offered. Kind of Ironic now that Clinton is all for this constitutional intrusion of rights.

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