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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Sure, but the point was, by any measure, we are winning. American life goes on much like it always has. Meanwhile the jihadists fall back and die. The middles east is slowly being converted to democracy.
    Really?

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The units that accomplished it did. We then took on a seperate goal of occupation, which also suceeded. We did not withdrawl under political pressure. We stayed until the country had an elected govt, and was stable. Then the Iraqi govt took over security. No, its not a perfect win. Neither was Germany where we still have troops.
    then you admit you were wrong in your assessment of the nation's objective in iraq
    it was not simply to overthrow saddam's regime
    it was nation building
    love it when a member's posts refute his own earlier arguments
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont want to argue the Iraq war. I was only explaing how we didnt lose the war. Afghanistan is still in progress. So, the only loss the US has ever had is Vietnam, which again, was a political loss, not a military one. Solletica started this by saying "And the worst defense is a bad offense, the latter in which the US military has plenty of experience." There is simply no evidence that the US military has plenty of experience at bad offense. In fact its damn near undefeated.
    Any loss America suffers is going to be a political loss. Americans defeat themselves at home first.

    The lesson should be that you go in and destroy the government, just as was done in Afghanistan and Iraq, and not waste any time about it. When you stay around too long, anything over over three months perhaps, many Americans will mobilize and eventually turn on each other. That's why I don't see the point in Syria, apart from not knowing who the bad guys really are.

    History doesn't stop so it is not yet known what the outcomes will be in either Iraq or Afghanistan. But we should have learned that you move in quickly, remove the dictators in place, move out, and repeat until they learn to get along with their neighbors and respect the freedoms of the individual. Otherwise it just becomes a Whac-a-mole policy, which is what we have now.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I left the "obvious" out of this post and then realized it may not be "obvious" to readers who had not been in the military. When inventory "armaments, vehicles, planes, beaucoup fuel, bullets, bombs, rockets, food, commissaries, tents, tires, etc.," are used up by the military, replacements are ordered, generating continuing profits from the armaments manufacturers. This is demand in a supply/demand scenario. That is why wars are such popular and successful business ventures. That is why the $700 billion Military Offense budget exists. It's just good business. I don't think any company makes more money than those supplying fuel because everything runs on fuel. Ergo, Energy Corporations are the first cheerleaders for war. Who'd a thunk it, eh?
    As a rule I don't care for conspiracy theories but this one just makes too damn much sense.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Perhaps, yet expending the lives of 4,000+ to avenge the lives of 3,000 9/11 victims is still a bad deal. Peharps one should look closely at the vast difference in monetary expediture, taking into account TSA (and its associated travel delays), paying an average of $1.7 million to each 9/11 victim's family, adding homeland security as well as the military direct (and indirect) costs to zap a few "terrorists" before they can do bad things over here. One must remember that 9/11 was caused by allowing 4-5 morons "armed" with boxcutters to drive commercial aircraft into buildings and that a "training camp" (or two) in Afghanistan was hardly crucial for carrying that out.

    These Jihad morons have not been destroyed or even seriously reduced by our venturing into their prime recruiting grounds, in fact, the opposite is likely true - the "invasion" of their homelands by "infidels" actually aids in their recruiting efforts. Better to zap the Jihad "leaders" using intel, special ops and drones than to attempt to play nation builder in their chosen "safe zones" overseas.
    It doesn't help that most of the l;eaders of the free world don';t even know what to call ths war or that they scuttled to a msque right after 9/11 and other atrocities. If you were a jihadis, who do you thin would be winnng?

    They can afford to lose thousands of lives, they'll all be blessed by Allah anyway. Meanwhile those living in the western democracies have become so uncertain of their customs, their freedoms, their traditional way of life that they are uncertain of what they are fighting for any more. The America or Britain or France or Denmark that was? What it hopes to be in the future? Or what it is now?

    They are focused and we are not. In fact our leaders don't even know what to call this war, only reminding us repeatedly that 'not all Muslims are terrorists". Trouble is that those who aren't are being severely intimidated by those who are. As are we.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then you admit you were wrong in your assessment of the nation's objective in iraq
    it was not simply to overthrow saddam's regime
    it was nation building
    love it when a member's posts refute his own earlier arguments
    Right, Let them do the nation building, with the understanding that if they don't get it right next time they'll be meeting up with those virgins much sooner than they may have intended,

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    The only view of the future that Nostradamus had that I see coming true is the third and maybe final world war starting in the middle east.
    Mr. Transparent Administration is going to feel the need to get our minds off the IRS, AP, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, James Rosen "scandals".
    And to do that nothing better than a war to get everyone's mind off what is eating away at our nations future.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah.....I know as well. Course myself I am not stuck with the tunnelvision in believing that anything has to be done with Syria to deal with Iran. Such was always a false premise from the start.
    Speaking of false premises ... this conceit on the part of the media who believe Obama is somehow better than Bush/Cheney in the area of foreign policy.

    If we had to count the number of Liberal hypocrites who think Obama better with war policy than Bush, I'd run out of fingers.

    DemSocialist for all his partisan threads, seems to be unaware of the censorship, lies and bull shine being pushed on us by almost all the "Progressive" shows.

    Completely demoralizing the audience, spinning relentlessly to hide Obama War crimes very similar to Dubya, telling viewers constantly that Americans are a bunch of dummies, their petitions don't matter, wars are caused by religion (not oil companies), don't go out and protest its useless, lying about every Obama war under the sun, dumbing down the audience, and thats not just Bill Maher and John
    Stewart,either saying some of those things, those are the Air America Radio people doing that. Judging by their own words they are more like the Thought Police, than the Right Wing sometimes.
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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    These Jihad morons have not been destroyed or even seriously reduced by our venturing into their prime recruiting grounds, in fact, the opposite is likely true - the "invasion" of their homelands by "infidels" actually aids in their recruiting efforts. Better to zap the Jihad "leaders" using intel, special ops and drones than to attempt to play nation builder in their chosen "safe zones" overseas.

    Yeah and many of those Jihadis are trained by U.S. special forces in Libya and Syria, and not just lately but the last two years my friend.

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    Clearly there are human rights concerns in Syria, but banning exports of oil will effectively also ban imports of food, medicine and other humanitarian goods.

    The move has been supported by Human Rights Watch, who seem to have forgotten the lessons of the Iraqi sanctions, or perhaps are so wedded to US foreign policy that they don’t care."

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The only view of the future that Nostradamus had that I see coming true is the third and maybe final world war starting in the middle east.Mr. Transparent Administration is going to feel the need to get our minds off the IRS, AP, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, James Rosen "scandals". And to do that nothing better than a war to get everyone's mind off what is eating away at our nations future.
    LOL.

    Mr. Transparent, indeed. (Transparent phoney, that is)

    If you ever needed any proof that America had become a Military Dictatorship complete with fixed elections, look no further than commercial talk radio.

    Try calling into some of these "Progressive" shows like Mike Malloy, Norman Goldman, Ed Schultz, or Randi Rhodes, and say "I want Healthcare like in Britian," and Ed will scream "Thats socialism !," at you, and hang up like he did on this one guy. Or call in and stray from the Democrat Party line and SLAM, they hang up on you, or like on the Thom Hartman show, he just talks right over the voice of the caller.

    And thats not just discussing "secret" stuff like Snowden, or arming terrorists in Syria either, thats ANYTHING critical of Obama and the Democrats.

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