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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    But none of these are intractable problems and the prognosis for Libya is pretty damn good. Not the case for Syria. Even the most unrealistically optimistic predictions for Syria fall far short of Libya. So, point all you want at Libya, that's only going to encourage me.
    Libya is a short-term success that's going to come back and bite us in the ass in a big way, just like it usually does.

    Actually, lots of people understand that. Most Americans take that position and don't want any involvement in Syria. It's the wrong position. We don't live in a vacuum. Even if you don't give two ****s about the humanitarian issues, foreign events inevitably affect us whether we like it or not. I'm not of the mind that we should sit back, cross our fingers, and just hope that things transpire in our favor.
    Only if you think the Bay of Pigs, AJAX, funding the Contras, etc. were the "right" positions. This is no different, it's just a short term solution for a long term problem. Ousting governments, especially governments who have aided the United States for a very long time, is not the right position. It's a travesty of foreign policy.
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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Libya is a short-term success that's going to come back and bite us in the ass in a big way, just like it usually does.



    Only if you think the Bay of Pigs, AJAX, funding the Contras, etc. were the "right" positions. This is no different, it's just a short term solution for a long term problem. Ousting governments, especially governments who have aided the United States for a very long time, is not the right position. It's a travesty of foreign policy.
    The Bay of Pigs, Operation Ajax and arming the Contras werent ousting governments that aided The United States.
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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    .......... funding the Contras, etc. were the "right" positions. This is no different, it's just a short term solution for a long term problem. Ousting governments, especially governments who have aided the United States for a very long time, is not the right position. It's a travesty of foreign policy.
    Hey whizz bang. Funding the Contras was hugely successful. There are no communist countries in Central America. Thank you Ronald Reagan. You got the part about "Libya biting us in the ass". But are otherwise hugely misinformed.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Most of the criticism that I read about Obama and his "red-line" had nothing to do with any belief that we needed to commit forces. Rather, it was just one more display that the strutting rooster Obama, with all of his huffing and puffing, was once again shown to be a capon, and a lying one at that. He gives our foes a good laugh though.
    Perhaps, but America's friends aren't laughing.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps, but America's friends aren't laughing.
    Which is a perfect fit for what I said. Our enemies love Obama. Our allies think him a bumbling fool.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Unlikely to happen right now. What about after 20 more years of this? 40 more years? Obama is the most divisive president in recent history. Bush pissed off liberals. Clinton ruined the reputation of the Presidency. Bush was weak. Reagan was divisive. Carter was a joke. Nixon was a criminal. JFK was a womanizer. How much longer can it go on?
    Where was Bush weak? How was Reagan divisive when he wan 49 States in his reelection? Nixon was not a criminal and being a womanizer is not a fatal flaw.

    Reagan won big because he reminded Americans of who they were and what they could be. Obama tells Americans they are greedy and that the government can look after them than they can themselves. Obama is, in many ways, the first post-American President.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are siding with the Russians? They are simply being greedy mercenaries selling arms to a murderer.
    Only Sunnis are radical islamists? Iran and Hezbolah are SHIA. They don't seem radical to you?
    Recall it was Obama who said he would help Putin after the election. It seems it is he who is siding with the Russians.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Both Sunnis and Shiites seem radical to me.

    Since the 1980's I have always looked upon Islam as being a flawed religion. It has never been a religion of peace.

    Islam respects those they fear. Islam don't fear Obama so they have little respect for Obama which means they don't respect America. Obama blew it big time with his failed foreign policies. Today the Muslim Brotherhood is in control of most of the Middle East. Al Qaeda when Obama took office in 2009 was confined to two parts of the world, Yeman and the Horn of Africa. Under Obama Al Qaeda base of operations have sread all over the Middle East and North Africa while Obama ran for reelection lieing to the American people that Al Qaeda was on the run and was being decimated.

    America lost it's influence in the Middle East when Obama supported the "Arab Spring" and today the entire Middle East and North Africa are a basket case. Russia now is the big boy in the Middle East.

    Pay attention to Russia and watch what they do. Putin doesn't respect Obama and looks at him as an incompetent fool, which he is.
    That big bear to the north is out of hibernation.
    Putin is nothing but a belligerent KGB thug everyone knows that. Why you would side with him and Hezbolah is puzzling. Assad needs to go and Russia has no business getting involved at all, no less selling them arms. They are no doubt still dumping their cold war arsenal, luckily it is all pretty outdated.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where was Bush weak? How was Reagan divisive when he wan 49 States in his reelection? Nixon was not a criminal and being a womanizer is not a fatal flaw.

    Reagan won big because he reminded Americans of who they were and what they could be. Obama tells Americans they are greedy and that the government can look after them than they can themselves. Obama is, in many ways, the first post-American President.
    The parallels between Reagan and Obama keep mounting up. Reagan signed the law requiring all hospital to treat patients regardless of insurance...Obama signed the AHC act that aims to make all Americans insured. Reagan signed the first "amnesty" agreement giving millons a path to citizenship....Obama may be doing the same very soon.

    Uncanny isn't it?

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The parallels between Reagan and Obama keep mounting up. Reagan signed the law requiring all hospital to treat patients regardless of insurance...Obama signed the AHC act that aims to make all Americans insured. Reagan signed the first "amnesty" agreement giving millons a path to citizenship....Obama may be doing the same very soon.

    Uncanny isn't it?
    Yes, it is uncanny. Except Reagan won 49 States on his reelection bid and his law requiring all hospital to treat patients regardless of insurance makes Obamacare a rather expensive redundancy, doesn't it?

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