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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Obama is without a doubt 'not' behind the action of arming Syria's terrorist fighters. It's just too patently obvious that there has not been any use of chem/bio weapons by Assad's regime
    Ah, you must be privy to information the rest of us aren't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Most of the criticism that I read about Obama and his "red-line" had nothing to do with any belief that we needed to commit forces.
    Of course it was. I read constantly how not backing up the red line claim makes America weak. Now that the game has changed, I'd expect those same people to sing his praises and kiss his feet.

    Rather, it was just one more display that the strutting rooster Obama, with all of his huffing and puffing, was once again shown to be a capon, and a lying one at that.
    I don't even know how to respond to this obviously false statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I'm assuming those who criticized Obama weeks ago for not taking action before carefully investigating the evidence are now singing his praises = hypocrisy. You said it, I didn't.
    You obviously have no idea what the word hypocrisy means. Consult a dictionary and then get back to me.

    I DID say that.
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    Obama is the most divisive president in recent history.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Ah, you must be privy to information the rest of us aren't.
    Of course it was. I read constantly how not backing up the red line claim makes America weak. Now that the game has changed, I'd expect those same people to sing his praises and kiss his feet.

    I don't even know how to respond to this obviously false statement.


    You obviously have no idea what the word hypocrisy means. Consult a dictionary and then get back to me.

    I DID say that.
    At this very moment..David Cameron is receiving Vladimir Putin at number !0..

    Discussing the Syrian conflict...

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    US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Unlikely to happen right now. What about after 20 more years of this? 40 more years? Obama is the most divisive president in recent history. Bush pissed off liberals. Clinton ruined the reputation of the Presidency. Bush was weak. Reagan was divisive. Carter was a joke. Nixon was a criminal. JFK was a womanizer. How much longer can it go on?
    It can go on until :
    A) we give up on presidents and return to a king or dictator
    B) we give up on corruption and hold people accountable
    C) we can run this system as it is until it collapses under the weight of its own corruption.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    No matter where I stand, it looks pretty obvious, Sunnies vs. Shiites.
    That's the way it's been for hundreds of years.

    How many Shia do you see fighting alongside the rebels ? How many Sunnies do you see aligned with Assad ?

    Why does Obama always back the radical Islamist ?

    You would think Obama would have stepped back and took a look at the Middle East and said, "I caused the Middle East to become the basket case it is today ?" and just left it to the new big boy on the block to take on the problem, the Russians.
    You are siding with the Russians? They are simply being greedy mercenaries selling arms to a murderer.
    Only Sunnis are radical islamists? Iran and Hezbolah are SHIA. They don't seem radical to you?

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    ......... Of course it was. I read constantly how not backing up the red line claim makes America weak. Now that the game has changed, I'd expect those same people to sing his praises and kiss his feet.
    Hardly. Rather it was one more example of Obama being a lot of hot air. In the hopes that maybe a few of those who blindly support him might WTFU.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Yes, let's continue to stick our nose where it doesn't belong, and fund overly violent factions. It's not like we should learn our lessons from history or anything, like that time we provided heavy air support to the Libyan rebels, and shortly after, they thanked us by murdering our ****ing ambassador in Benghazi. That was last year for ****s sake, and now we're just going to keep doing the same old **** we've been doing for at least half a century because we cling to the hope that it might work at some point in time.
    I always chuckle when people warn about getting involved in Syria by pointing to Libya. If only we could be so lucky in Syria. Libya was a resounding success compared to what we will face in Syria. Benghazi was unfortunate but it was largely an isolated event and is by no means indicative of the overall transition - unless you believe the White House narrative that it was a riot that got out of control. For most Americans, that's the only news they've read on Libya in the past year, so I can understand why people get that impression. But that's just ignorance.

    Libya's NTC has already handed power over to the newly elected General National Congress. In the election Jibril's relatively secular National Forces Alliance won big against the more conservative islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood. Libya's economy has rebounded, jumping by over 50% last year. And polls show that Libyans have unusually favorable opinions towards Americans and the American gov't - they like us better than the Brits do. Benghazi notwithstanding, extremist jihadists are not going to find a sympathetic audience in Libya. Admittedly, it hasn't been all smooth-sailing and there have been some setbacks and bumps. Some of the militias enjoy their power too much and are refusing to disband and are tying to strongarm the democractic transition in their favor and the passing of the unfortunate Isolation Law, for example.

    But none of these are intractable problems and the prognosis for Libya is pretty damn good. Not the case for Syria. Even the most unrealistically optimistic predictions for Syria fall far short of Libya. So, point all you want at Libya, that's only going to encourage me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Seriously, this is retarded. If they want to kill each other, it's not our problem. Their civil war is their civil war. It's not our fight, what part of that does nobody seem to ever understand?
    Actually, lots of people understand that. Most Americans take that position and don't want any involvement in Syria. It's the wrong position. We don't live in a vacuum. Even if you don't give two ****s about the humanitarian issues, foreign events inevitably affect us whether we like it or not. I'm not of the mind that we should sit back, cross our fingers, and just hope that things transpire in our favor.

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    US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I always chuckle when people warn about getting involved in Syria by pointing to Libya. If only we could be so lucky in Syria. Libya was a resounding success compared to what we will face in Syria. Benghazi was unfortunate but it was largely an isolated event and is by no means indicative of the overall transition - unless you believe the White House narrative that it was a riot that got out of control. For most Americans, that's the only news they've read on Libya in the past year, so I can understand why people get that impression. But that's just ignorance.

    Libya's NTC has already handed power over to the newly elected General National Congress. In the election Jibril's relatively secular National Forces Alliance won big against the more conservative islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood. Libya's economy has rebounded, jumping by over 50% last year. And polls show that Libyans have unusually favorable opinions towards Americans and the American gov't - they like us better than the Brits do. Benghazi notwithstanding, extremist jihadists are not going to find a sympathetic audience in Libya. Admittedly, it hasn't been all smooth-sailing and there have been some setbacks and bumps. Some of the militias enjoy their power too much and are refusing to disband and are tying to strongarm the democractic transition in their favor and the passing of the unfortunate Isolation Law, for example.

    But none of these are intractable problems and the prognosis for Libya is pretty damn good. Not the case for Syria. Even the most unrealistically optimistic predictions for Syria fall far short of Libya. So, point all you want at Libya, that's only going to encourage me.
    I agree with you about Libya being a "success", doesn't mean it was right and it will probably have repercussions for decades to come.

    However, with the extent of the lying and coverups surrounding Benghazi, there is very little that can be said with any certainty.

    However, given the timeline with the talking points suggests that the whole situation was premeditated to some extent.



    Actually, lots of people understand that. Most Americans take that position and don't want any involvement in Syria. It's the wrong position. We don't live in a vacuum. Even if you don't give two ****s about the humanitarian issues, foreign events inevitably affect us whether we like it or not. I'm not of the mind that we should sit back, cross our fingers, and just hope that things transpire in our favor.
    I get the position of wanting to support the factions which will be a benefit to us in the long-term.

    The problem is that we have a track record of arming the factions that, once they get the goals we help them to attain then begin to act in their own best interests and usually that involves becoming our future enemies that need to be dealt with.

    You are right that groups seeking power will fill the void, but it's far too common in this situation that our intentions backfire.

    Since intervention has such a bad track record, maybe we should just sit back and cross our fingers... Save ourselves billions of dollars, thousands of soldiers, and maybe wind up with a result that will work to our benefit

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I always chuckle when people warn about getting involved in Syria by pointing to Libya. If only we could be so lucky in Syria. Libya was a resounding success compared to what we will face in Syria. (1) Benghazi was unfortunate but it was largely an isolated event and is by no means indicative of the overall transition - unless you believe the White House narrative that it was a riot that got out of control. For most Americans, that's the only news they've read on Libya in the past year, so I can understand why people get that impression. But that's just ignorance.

    Libya's NTC has already handed power over to the newly elected General National Congress. In the election Jibril's relatively secular National Forces Alliance won big against the more conservative islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood. (2) Libya's economy has rebounded, jumping by over 50% last year. (3) And polls show that Libyans have unusually favorable opinions towards Americans and the American gov't - they like us better than the Brits do. (4) Benghazi notwithstanding, extremist jihadists are not going to find a sympathetic audience in Libya. Admittedly, it hasn't been all smooth-sailing and there have been some setbacks and bumps. Some of the militias enjoy their power too much and are refusing to disband and are tying to strongarm the democractic transition in their favor and the passing of the unfortunate Isolation Law, for example.

    But none of these are intractable problems and the prognosis for Libya is pretty damn good. Not the case for Syria. Even the most unrealistically optimistic predictions for Syria fall far short of Libya. So, point all you want at Libya, that's only going to encourage me.

    Actually, lots of people understand that. Most Americans take that position and don't want any involvement in Syria. It's the wrong position. We don't live in a vacuum. Even if you don't give two ****s about the humanitarian issues, foreign events inevitably affect us whether we like it or not. I'm not of the mind that we should sit back, cross our fingers, and just hope that things transpire in our favor.
    Can you provide some links/sources to back this up (highlighted in red)? - because that is not what i read or heard about Lybia's situation so far.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are siding with the Russians? They are simply being greedy mercenaries selling arms to a murderer.
    Only Sunnis are radical islamists? Iran and Hezbolah are SHIA. They don't seem radical to you?
    Both Sunnis and Shiites seem radical to me.

    Since the 1980's I have always looked upon Islam as being a flawed religion. It has never been a religion of peace.

    Islam respects those they fear. Islam don't fear Obama so they have little respect for Obama which means they don't respect America. Obama blew it big time with his failed foreign policies. Today the Muslim Brotherhood is in control of most of the Middle East. Al Qaeda when Obama took office in 2009 was confined to two parts of the world, Yeman and the Horn of Africa. Under Obama Al Qaeda base of operations have sread all over the Middle East and North Africa while Obama ran for reelection lieing to the American people that Al Qaeda was on the run and was being decimated.

    America lost it's influence in the Middle East when Obama supported the "Arab Spring" and today the entire Middle East and North Africa are a basket case. Russia now is the big boy in the Middle East.

    Pay attention to Russia and watch what they do. Putin doesn't respect Obama and looks at him as an incompetent fool, which he is.
    That big bear to the north is out of hibernation.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Slyfox, you can't make an excuse and say you're not privy to the information on the fact that Assad hasn't used chem/bio. If you are unaware then it has to be because of your laziness in not following the story or a just plain dogmatic position that forces you to believe US propaganda.

    Would you like to be informed and take part in the discussion from an informed position or are you happy with what you believe now? One of your best allies on this forum has already rolled over and said the chem/bio use doesn't matter. That was because the least bit of real information drove him to be embarrassed on his position. And so his position became, it doesn't matter because the US needs to assist the terrorist rebels in any case. That's a much more credible and believable position than yours.
    So do you want to be taken seriously?

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