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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Republican party which at this point in history is split.
    Judging from your response to me, I believe you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what I was referring to. I was referring to those who weeks ago were criticizing Obama for not being a blowhard and commit toinvading Syria because of the red line comment he made last year, without careful deliberation and investigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    What is his decision?
    In response to what I said, here's all that matters.

    What we know then from the administration’s public and on the record statements is this: the White House is going to do more than what it was doing before.
    Obama's Syria Policy a Mess | The Weekly Standard


    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So youre assuming hypocrisy with no facts.
    Not at all, I'm doing the exact opposite. I'm assuming those who criticized Obama weeks ago for not taking action before carefully investigating the evidence are now singing his praises, since the "red line" was apparently so important to them.

    Of course, if they are not, then that would suggest hypocrisy, but I didn't say anything like that. You did, but I didn't.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    the economist:

    Syria: hard men prevail - The Economist

    meet obama's new allies

    A BLACK flag flies over the governor’s headquarters in Raqqa, a city of 250,000 people in Syria’s north-east which is the biggest so far that the rebels have captured wholesale from President Bashar Assad’s regime. It is also a base for Jabhat al-Nusra (Victory Front), an extreme armed opposition group in Syria with which al-Qaeda in Iraq recently claimed to have merged. But the group does not dominate Raqqa. At least four other rebel outfits, mainly Salafist ones whose members say they want to emulate the companions of the Prophet Muhammad, vie with a bunch of civilian councils for power over this tribal Sunni city, plastering its walls with rival graffiti. Yet in the eastern provinces as a whole, Jabhat al-Nusra has emerged as a hugely powerful presence. Among rebel fighters across the country it is probably the most effective single group.

    By contrast, down the road in the gold-curtained living room of a small house near the city centre, members of a more moderate Islamist lot, al-Farouq, admit that they have grown weaker. They used to control the border crossing into Turkey at Tel Abyad, a prime piece of territory for arms and money, along with another crossing farther west. But that has since been grabbed away from them.

    Sometimes Jabhat al-Nusra imposes itself on other rebels by force. Two months ago it tried to assassinate Abu Azzam, the local Farouq unit’s bear of a leader. In the event he had to flee to Turkey, while his men were left directionless and disorganised. Funds and weapons, which one Farouq member says only ever came in “injections just often enough to keep us alive”, dried up.

    Raqqa offers a snapshot of what is going on among the rebels elsewhere in Syria. The more moderate ones are now a minority. On one side they have been squeezed by Salafist factions, especially in the rebel-controlled east. On the other, they have been pushed back territorially by the regime as it regains ground in the more populated west of the country.

    For Western governments pondering whether to arm the rebels rather than merely advise them and provide non-lethal support, Jabhat al-Nusra is the biggest worry. By some estimates, it now has 6,000 carefully vetted men, mainly Syrians but under foreign leadership. Its global jihadist ideology justifies violence to bring about a nation where all Muslims unite. “Most groups are a reaction to the regime, whereas we are fighting for a vision,” explains one of its fighters.

    Though Jabhat al-Nusra says it gets most of its weapons from the spoils of battle, it also enjoys murky sources of private funding, including regular payments from al-Qaeda in Iraq. Since it captured oil wells and grain silos, it has been able—more effectively than other outfits—to set up basic services and a rudimentary administration in the areas it controls, as well as sell off goods and oil for cash. It is probably the most disciplined of all its rivals.

    Yet it is not only Jabhat al-Nusra which expresses extreme Islamist views. Though Ahrar al-Sham has more local aims, its comrades are also vehemently Islamist. So are many of the other forces that have gained ground among the rebels, thanks in part to Gulf backing. Rebel groups that echo more moderate and secular attitudes, for which Syria used to be praised, are smaller and less powerful.

    A big problem for Western governments is how to decide which groups to back and how to funnel help to them. The rebels have built informal networks but still have no effective command structure. Since it was set up in December, their Supreme Military Command, led by General Salim Idriss, a Sunni defector from Mr Assad’s army, includes some able commanders but still lacks the cash and arms to match either the regime’s forces or Jabhat al-Nusra, which ignores the military command. Moreover, arms sent to one group could easily fall into the hands of another. Rebels often switch allegiance from one lot to another, often depending on its success.

    The rebels are no angels either. Atrocities and kidnappings have been carried out by them, too. A leader of a group that broke away from Farouq recently horrified potential sponsors by being shown on a video biting a body-part of a member of Mr Assad’s armed forces who had been captured and killed. Corruption is rife among the rebels, sighs one of their commanders, berating his peers for shunning battles but wanting to “get a new car and a second wife”. And jealousy between rebel groups over the supply of cash and arms is fomenting strife between them. Earlier this month, two rebel commanders were assassinated in Raqqa alone. Rebels from more secular-minded or more moderately Islamist groups speak openly of a second war to come—against Jabhat al-Nusra.
    these are the kind of people we are all grateful we do not have to fight beside, only ally ourselves with

    more than 100 americans have been killed by our allies, whom we arm and train and fund, in obama's war, afghanistan, 62 in 2012 alone, 3 more just last week

    Afghanistan Insider Attack Kills 3 Americans - HuffPo

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Judging from your response to me, I believe you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what I was referring to. I was referring to those who weeks ago were criticizing Obama for not being a blowhard and commit toinvading Syria because of the red line comment he made last year, without careful deliberation and investigation.

    In response to what I said, here's all that matters.



    Obama's Syria Policy a Mess | The Weekly Standard


    Not at all, I'm doing the exact opposite. I'm assuming those who criticized Obama weeks ago for not taking action before carefully investigating the evidence are now singing his praises, since the "red line" was apparently so important to them.

    Of course, if they are not, then that would suggest hypocrisy, but I didn't say anything like that. You did, but I didn't.
    Obama is without a doubt 'not' behind the action of arming Syria's terrorist fighters. His hand has been forced. It's just too patently obvious that there has not been any use of chem/bio weapons by Assad's regime and Obama is smart enough to know that. Everybody who isn't in denial should know the truth of course. If Assad was going to use chem/bio weapons then there would be solid incontrovertible proof such as hundreds or even thousands dying in the streets.

    What a sick joke it will be if Obama goes down in history as another US president who started a phony war for phony reasons.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    its about time for the US to split into two, since it has two distinct ideologies which fundamentally oppose each other. How long till we have our own civil war?
    There are some talking secession but that's unlikely to happen. America needs a strong leader with respect for traditional values who can bring people together, but I can't yet see anyone yet who can do it. Another BHO clone, like Hillary, would destroy the country. The people can't afford to sleepwalk through another election.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Obama is without a doubt 'not' behind the action of arming Syria's terrorist fighters. His hand has been forced. It's just too patently obvious that there has not been any use of chem/bio weapons by Assad's regime and Obama is smart enough to know that. Everybody who isn't in denial should know the truth of course. If Assad was going to use chem/bio weapons then there would be solid incontrovertible proof such as hundreds or even thousands dying in the streets.

    What a sick joke it will be if Obama goes down in history as another US president who started a phony war for phony reasons.
    US says Assad used chemical weapons

    BBC News - US says it will give military aid to Syria rebels

    It seems the 'sick joke' President is crossing that line in the sand.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Never has the US gotten itself into such patently obvious lies in order to justify war in the ME. Or in this case so far just leading up to war that will surely become inevitable. The claims of Assad using chem/bio weapons are easily proven as false! The US just better hope that it has Carla Del Ponte in their bag by now or that could prove very embarrassing.

    But on the positive side, Dems will be against it is appreciable numbers. But the wild card being played this time around is that the baggers/libertarians are going to have to oppose it too in order to maintain their credibility. And the really good part is that they may be in a position to win the day on the Repub side!

    Will they have what it takes to overrule McCain and his warmongering ilk?

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    warmongering ilk:

    The highest-profile spur for action came on Tuesday: Former President Bill Clinton, speaking in New York, cast Syria in road-not-taken terms, implying that Obama faced a moral crossroads comparable to the one Clinton himself faced when he decided to not to intervene during the genocide in Rwanda in the 1990s.

    At meetings this week, Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry, National Security Adviser Tom Donilon and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel concluded that a more direct U.S. intervention — one that includes arming the rebels or possibly imposing a no-fly zone — was needed to stem the tide of Assad victories in the past two weeks.

    Administration officials described a vigorous internal debate, capped off by a Hagel-Kerry meeting Thursday without Obama — that exposed significant divisions within Obama’s team. Donilon and Hagel, while not opposed to stepped-up action, were less eager for a more aggressive response than Kerry and Donilon’s successor, Susan Rice.
    Syria chemical weapons: President Obama's forced hand - POLITICO.com

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Never has the US gotten itself into such patently obvious lies in order to justify war in the ME. Or in this case so far just leading up to war that will surely become inevitable. The claims of Assad using chem/bio weapons are easily proven as false! The US just better hope that it has Carla Del Ponte in their bag by now or that could prove very embarrassing.

    But on the positive side, Dems will be against it is appreciable numbers. But the wild card being played this time around is that the baggers/libertarians are going to have to oppose it too in order to maintain their credibility. And the really good part is that they may be in a position to win the day on the Repub side!

    Will they have what it takes to overrule McCain and his warmongering ilk?
    The ilks will battle it out but at this point its difficult to tell which ilk will win.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    There are reports that the Syria No Fly Zone and bombings will start this month. There is a reason the Pentagon pushed back at the Syria No Fly Zone story … because the decision has been made.

    Pentagon pushes back against Syria no-fly zone report - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

    The Preznit Obomber, serial fascist and Nazi butt pipe, will set in motion a chain of events in Syria which he will not be able to undo. First off, the No Fly Zone has been completed, and then the bombings will rain down from U.S. fighter planes which Israel already has done. Next, the thousands of American troops will be necessary to battle a huge ground war taking years, with horrific casualties. Then, when the battle becomes a stalemate, the U.S. will have to have new American army recruits to keep the quagmire going. Iran will destablize the war will broaden into mass carnage, sanctions, disease, starvation and conflagration. World opinion will solidify against Obomber the fascist and the U.S. Nazi aggressors disregard for human life on a mass scale in Syria as was the case in Iraq. The U.S. will lose after having exhausted options and available U.S. troops stationed nearby.

    Here is a video of what the Obama secretly funded, trained terrorists in Syria are really doing the last two years hidden from the American people but once you get past the COINTELPRO MEDIA censors like the NYT, CNN, NBC, PBS, NPR, etc.

    WARNING GRAPHIC

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    NOOOO!!! Why the **** is it our business to get involved in a civil war!? I also suspect that the gov could just be totally making this **** up to get invovled. Also i suspect that we have already been arming them. Why the hell should we get on a side that allies itself with Al-Qaeda groups?
    This is so stupid.
    Because, DemSocialist - its like I've been saying for over two years, Obama isnt about principled leadership, hes about continuing the NeoCon doctrine for more oil wars and pure greed. The only principle to the NeoCon war machine is is more treasure and conquest. These threats are all just manufactured from abroad, thats why the FBI gets caught staging terror threats 95% of the time. The NeoCons decided they want all the marbles and they dont care who they kill to get them, innocents, non-threatening countries, whoever. And Obama has been groomed to carry out the Cheney Energy Policy by the NeoCons and the CFR.



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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Syria is a distraction

    Obama has finally decided to arm Al Qaeda to take the attention away from all his corruption and scandals

    Comical and embarrassing

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