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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But therein lies the real problem. The United States itself is a "half job" these days with neither side agreeing on what should be done - and so it is with their 'Allies'. There will be more riots on American streets, more political advantages sought through dissension, more money being spent that has to be borrowed from nations watching from the sidelines, ever more enemies created, and all with the added uncertainty of not knowing precisely who the enemy is at the moment.

    It's about time the United States, like other medium to large powers, assumed observer status rather than jumping into further uncertainly and its long term consequences. I realize where this might possibly lead for the Syrian people and the Middle East in general, but waiting would seem to be the only pragmatic thing to do at this time. No more blood and treasure wasted on a world that will only turn on Americans the first chance they get anyway.
    its about time for the US to split into two, since it has two distinct ideologies which fundamentally oppose each other. How long till we have our own civil war?

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    U.S. to increase military support to Syria rebels | Reuters

    Just announced. The US has confirmed it has undeniable proof that Assad in fact used chemical weapons against his own people and, as a result, the US will begin supplying lethal military aid to the rebels for the first time since the war began 2 years ago.

    About damn time.
    You could have some valid reasons for hoping that the US gets involved in Syria and those could be discussed here. But to rely on the trumped up charge of Assad's army using chem/bio weapons is definitely not one of them. There are just too many good reasons for all of us to not accept the claims.

    Assad would be inviting intervention by the US by crossing Obama's red line. A foolish move when he clearly has the initiative over the terrorist side.

    Would Assad risk that for the sake of killing a debatable number of something like 100 to 150, of which it appears aren't military and of military gain?

    Carla Del Ponte of the UN investigative team was suspecting that the chem/bio weapons use appeared to be on the side of the terrorists before she fell silent?

    This is just not passing the smell test but we do know that Wes Clarke blew the whistle on the US's intent to do Syria on it's way to Iran.

    The best hope now is that Obama will continue to drag his feet on allout support. If he doesn't, the US will again find itself in a cocked up phony war for phony reasons. Nothing was apparently learned from Iraq!

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The bolded is completely false. There has yet to be any evidence presented as to who used chemical weapons.
    The bolded is not a true/false statement. It's a hypothetical. Saying it's false is nonsensical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I just had a massive argument with JredBaron about this. We know that chemical weapons have been used, but we don't have any evidence of who used them.
    YOU may not have evidence that Assad used them. Various governments are claiming they have intelligence that proves Assad used them. You don't have access to all (or probably any) of that intelligence, and so you are not in a position to make the claim that it is not known.

    Besides. Personally, I think the use of chemical weapons is largely irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned, the deteriorating situation in Syria crossed the threshold for intervention a long time ago and had nothing to do with chemical weapons use.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    The bolded is not a true/false statement. It's a hypothetical. Saying it's false is nonsensical.



    YOU may not have evidence that Assad used them. Various governments are claiming they have intelligence that proves Assad used them. You don't have access to all (or probably any) of that intelligence, and so you are not in a position to make the claim that it is not known.

    Besides. Personally, I think the use of chemical weapons is largely irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned, the deteriorating situation in Syria crossed the threshold for intervention a long time ago and had nothing to do with chemical weapons use.
    Now that's being honest! You have immediately crumbled on your commitment that Assad's regime has been responsible for the chem/bio weapons use. Now any old reason will fill the bill!

    Now we will see if you have the courage to get specific on that?

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

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    Well, you did crumble on your assertion that the chem/bio weapons use mattered didn't you! I was just hoping that you would stick with me on it and start in on giving some justifications that you have alluded to for US involvement.

    Will this be an indication of how quickly the American people will crumble on the fake justification and will it mean that it's going to be acceptable to them regardless? I suspect that most Americans won't get all that involved but I also suspect that some real and substantial justification is going to be needed if the tea partiers don't run from their commitment to 'no more US wars'.

    Rand Paul is being watched very closely now. He must be really hating that! This is too big to flipflop on so soon!

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Another thing I want to clear up are all the warnings about us repeating history - presumably alluding to us supplying weapons to the Afghans. YOU are the ones who need to brush up on your history. The Mujahideen =/= The Taliban. The Mujahideen did not 'become' the Taliban. Just because they both look the same to you - bearded Afghan militants with AK-47s doesn't mean they are the same. They are completely different groups, formed for completely different reasons, fighting for completely different goals. The Taliban didn't even exist during the period in which we were supplying weapons to the Mujahideen. The Taliban is a Pakistan proxy that emerged from the madrassas in Pakistan. The fact that once the Soviets withdrew and the Mujahideen dissolved and some of the Mujahidden joined the Taliban is irrelevant because most of the Mujahideen did not. In fact many Mujahideen fought directly against the Taliban in the ensuing Afghan civil war - most notably Massoud who led the Northern Alliance.

    The Taliban didn't seize power in Afghanistan because we gave stinger missiles to the Mujahideen. The Taliban seized power in Afghanistan because we turned our back on the region once the Soviet Union left because we felt we didn't have any critical interests in the region, leaving Pakistan to have its way with Afghanistan. Now THAT is a mistake we are threatening to repeat.

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Well, you did crumble on your assertion that the chem/bio weapons use mattered didn't you! I was just hoping that you would stick with me on it and start in on giving some justifications that you have alluded to for US involvement.

    Will this be an indication of how quickly the American people will crumble on the fake justification and will it mean that it's going to be acceptable to them regardless? I suspect that most Americans won't get all that involved but I also suspect that some real and substantial justification is going to be needed if the tea partiers don't run from their commitment to 'no more US wars'.

    Rand Paul is being watched very closely now. He must be really hating that! This is too big to flipflop on so soon!

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Sorry, I'm not interested in getting into an insult match with you. Your replies to me are yours and reflect only on you. Thanks for the early heads up on your behaviour!

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    Re: US will supply military weapons to the Syrian rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Sorry, I'm not interested in getting into an insult match with you. Your replies to me are yours and reflect only on you. Thanks for the early heads up on your behaviour!

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