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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    This is a debate forum. There is no need to specify what's an opinion. I see that you haven't done this either on this very thread. So maybe you should take your own advice and "know your mark".
    if you are going to attempt to throw a comment back at me, please, at least make it applicable to the statement. Know your mark has to do with your assumptions about me. Opinions was a whole 'nuther conversation.

    1. The complete social changes that will occur with the implementation of the ACA can't be known simply by reading the bill. You'd have to read up on the CBO's scoring of the bill and other sources to fully understand that.
    The CBO addresses financial impact only, not the social changes. Not quite their forte, I'd say.

    2. Incorrect. I have studied up on all the major aspects of the law, have read dozens of sources over the entire debate, some opinion based, many factual, about the legislation. I understand it as well or better than anyone I've met on Debate Politics that I've run into. You can say that I don't, and that would be your opinion, but we both know that you don't care about opinions, so you are kind of stuck in a conundrum there. You don't just get to declare someone ignorant on a topic. You'd have to show that somehow. So when you find me spreading incorrect information about the bill, please point it out. Otherwise you are just saying that my arguments are weak simply because I haven't read the bill. It's my opinion that we should actually base arguments on the strength of them, not on who they came from. So you can say my position is very weak, and that's your opinion, but it means precisely dick.
    I've discussed the bill in more places than here, and interestingly enough argued points of it with people it doesn't affect. Talk about an unbiased view from them, lol.

    I've yet to figure out what 'dick' does mean, in this connotation...

    Oh, I found one I'd been looking for, this is the type of legislature I usually follow.
    Seed Availability and Competition Act of 2013 (H.R. 193) - GovTrack.us
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    And you didn't address the second part of my post. Typical, you don't like a question so it's easier to ignore it than actually muster up an answer.
    You mean the part where you asked me to guess what you already know about the bill? Well gee I must have forgotten my mind reading kit today.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Who do you think currently pays for emergency treatment for uninsured currently?
    I know exactly who pays for it, the same people who now get to pay more for doing the same thing. Great idea.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post

    The CBO addresses financial impact only, not the social changes. Not quite their forte, I'd say.
    They have also reported on the total number estimated to get insurance after the ACA. They don't just address the finances, granted that's their main focus and purpose. Again, something you can't learn by simply reading the bill.
    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Oh, I found one I'd been looking for, this is the type of legislature I usually follow.
    Seed Availability and Competition Act of 2013 (H.R. 193) - GovTrack.us
    And do you care to show me something you learned from reading that bill that I couldn't easily learn by researching it or reading the summary? What would I be missing out on exactly?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    I know exactly who pays for it, the same people who now get to pay more for doing the same thing. Great idea.
    What's cheaper, the entire medical costs related to having a child from start to finish or 9 months of birth control pills?

    Pay more for the same thing? You have no idea what you're talking about.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    You mean the part where you asked me to guess what you already know about the bill? Well gee I must have forgotten my mind reading kit today.
    I didn't ask you to guess on anything. What is something in that bill that I couldn't have understood completely by either researching the bill on reputable news sites or by reading the summary of the bill? You're arguing that reading the bill is the only way to understand it, so prove it. What's the major part that I couldn't have learned by a quick google search?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    What's cheaper, the entire medical costs related to having a child from start to finish or 9 months of birth control pills?
    Is that what you meant by who pays for the emergency room costs for the uninsured? Maybe it's just me but is that called 'changing the subject'?
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I didn't ask you to guess on anything.
    Sure you did. You asked me to tell you something you didn't know about the bill already.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Sure you did. You asked me to tell you something you didn't know about the bill already.
    Exactly, I've read a few sources on the bill. What couldn't I have learned about the bill by reading a few sources or the bills summary? What could I not learn through this method? Where's the hidden part that I could not possibly now unless I read the actual text of the bill?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Is that what you meant by who pays for the emergency room costs for the uninsured? Maybe it's just me but is that called 'changing the subject'?
    It's not changing the subject. It's pointing out that preventative medicine is cheaper than emergency care. I could have just as easily used blood pressure medication vs treatment after a stroke. Point remains the same regardless.

    BTW, any time you ask if it's you, it's a safe assumption that, yes, yes it is you.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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