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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    I'd say I've read at least 20 pieces of legislation, as they progressed. How many have YOU read?
    He already said he doesn't read them, he just uses the Cliff Notes version and hopes they got it right in translation. He's not so different than the idiots in Congress who vote to enact laws they haven't read.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Let's see, I carry a list in my back pocket.... *sarcasm alert*

    I'd say I've read at least 20 pieces of legislation, as they progressed. How many have YOU read?
    I'd have to say 0. I've read parts of legislation. The difference between your answer and mine? Mine's actually true!


    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Then figure out where I stand. Here's a hint: My profile says 'Independent'.

    You make your statement based on your opinion, as to who reads legislation. Sorry, those who refuse to read the legislation and wish to argue it with any veracity don't have much of a leg to stand on in calling others conspiracy theorists.

    Which, again, has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, now does it?
    Here's a hint: I don't care what your profile says. I'm basing my judgement off your posts. So you can put down what ever you want.

    Yes, my comment on who reads legislation is based off of opinion. Just like your bolded comment is your opinion. That something is opinion doesn't make it false. If I were to say that I live in the greatest country on earth that would only be an opinion. Doesn't invalidate my statement. So thanks for the astute observations that sometimes people express opinions.

    It's also my opinion that your idea, that I can't understand a piece of legislation without reading the entire thing, is ridiculous. And that's what this boils down to. Your original opinion is borderline retarded. It's not a book, its not a movie, it's not a work of art. You can comprehend, understand and agree with a piece of legislation given enough time studying independent reliable sources without actually reading the entire piece of legislation.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    He already said he doesn't read them, he just uses the Cliff Notes version and hopes they got it right in translation. He's not so different than the idiots in Congress who vote to enact laws they haven't read.
    The difference is that my answer is honest. If you want to continue your dishonesty, then by all means...

    I'll take your extreme ignorance of even the basics of the healthcare bill in this very thread as proof that I'm right, either that or it's proof of very, very, disgustingly poor reading comprehension on your part. Very likely it's a mixture of both.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Sure. I thought the change proposed to the Fair Labor Standard giving the employee the option of taking comp time in leiu of OT was a great idea. And I support just about any legislation that eliminates an existing law as I think we have way to many.
    Great, I supported that too. I think it makes sense. And yet I haven't read the bill, lol. I very much doubt you did either. BTW, it's called The Working Families Flexibility Act of 2013. Can you tell me something I don't know about the bill? I've only read two or three sources on it, so by your logic I should be completely ignorant of the legislation.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I'd have to say 0. I've read parts of legislation. The difference between your answer and mine? Mine's actually true!
    Mine too.


    Here's a hint: I don't care what your profile says. I'm basing my judgement off your posts. So you can put down what ever you want.
    Oh, and just how many of my posts have you read? The ones in this thread, perhaps? Have I, in return, made a judgment call as to you? An assumption of what you believe in, or don't, based on a few measly posts in one particular thread? To coin a phrase, I believe from the movie "Paper Moon', know your mark.

    Yes, my comment on who reads legislation is based off of opinion. Just like your bolded comment is your opinion. That something is opinion doesn't make it false. If I were to say that I live in the greatest country on earth that would only be an opinion. Doesn't invalidate my statement. So thanks for the astute observations that sometimes people express opinions.
    Legally, unless you preface it or end it with the statement "In my opinion' or 'I believe', you are making an absolute statement, not an opinionated statement. Just FYI.

    It's also my opinion that your idea, that I can't understand a piece of legislation without reading the entire thing, is ridiculous. And that's what this boils down to. Your original opinion is borderline retarded. It's not a book, its not a movie, it's not a work of art. You can comprehend, understand and agree with a piece of legislation given enough time studying independent reliable sources without actually reading the entire piece of legislation.
    On a simple piece of legislation, I might grant you that gleaning information from other sources might serve you well. However, considering the size and impact of the ACA, and overall social changes that will occur with it's full implementation, and the fact that you chose to debate the subject, well, learning about it third hand doesn't hold up well. It makes your position very weak. Just sayin'.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    The difference is that my answer is honest. If you want to continue your dishonesty, then by all means...

    I'll take your extreme ignorance of even the basics of the healthcare bill in this very thread as proof that I'm right, either that or it's proof of very, very, disgustingly poor reading comprehension on your part. Very likely it's a mixture of both.
    The fact you think you are 'right' on anything in this thread just shows that not only do you not know what it says, you don't care to know what it says. But hey, enjoy your healthcare. And if you are one of the lucky one's who gets to pick up the tab for someone else, enjoy that too.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Great, I supported that too. I think it makes sense. And yet I haven't read the bill, lol. I very much doubt you did either.
    I read it, more than once while explaining it to idiots who only knew what they had been told about it.
    The bill is like 2 pages long. What could possibly be your reason for not reading it, no pictures?
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Legally, unless you preface it or end it with the statement "In my opinion' or 'I believe', you are making an absolute statement, not an opinionated statement. Just FYI.
    This is a debate forum. There is no need to specify what's an opinion. I see that you haven't done this either on this very thread. So maybe you should take your own advice and "know your mark".
    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    On a simple piece of legislation, I might grant you that gleaning information from other sources might serve you well. However, considering the size and impact of the ACA, and overall social changes that will occur with it's full implementation, and the fact that you chose to debate the subject, well, learning about it third hand doesn't hold up well. It makes your position very weak. Just sayin'.
    1. The complete social changes that will occur with the implementation of the ACA can't be known simply by reading the bill. You'd have to read up on the CBO's scoring of the bill and other sources to fully understand that.

    2. Incorrect. I have studied up on all the major aspects of the law, have read dozens of sources over the entire debate, some opinion based, many factual, about the legislation. I understand it as well or better than anyone I've met on Debate Politics that I've run into. You can say that I don't, and that would be your opinion, but we both know that you don't care about opinions, so you are kind of stuck in a conundrum there. You don't just get to declare someone ignorant on a topic. You'd have to show that somehow. So when you find me spreading incorrect information about the bill, please point it out. Otherwise you are just saying that my arguments are weak simply because I haven't read the bill. It's my opinion that we should actually base arguments on the strength of them, not on who they came from. So you can say my position is very weak, and that's your opinion, but it means precisely dick.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    I read it, more than once while explaining it to idiots who only knew what they had been told about it.
    The bill is like 2 pages long. What could possibly be your reason for not reading it, no pictures?
    I'm not against reading it, I just don't see the point. Every source I have read on it agrees on what it does.

    And you didn't address the second part of my post. Typical, you don't like a question so it's easier to ignore it than actually muster up an answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    The fact you think you are 'right' on anything in this thread just shows that not only do you not know what it says, you don't care to know what it says. But hey, enjoy your healthcare. And if you are one of the lucky one's who gets to pick up the tab for someone else, enjoy that too.
    Who do you think currently pays for emergency treatment for uninsured currently? You're like a peacock, proudly waving your feathers while not even noticing the big pile of **** you just stepped in.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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