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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    I've been politically aware for about 15 years.

    And what difference does that make regarding knowing what is or is not in the ACA?
    Alot of legislation has been passed in the last 15 years. And it sounds like you haven't supported a single bit of it, lol. When you actually feel like addressing the question let me know.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

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    Nonsense. Sources always matter. Sources with no history of being accurate cant be accepted. Accuracy matters. repeating an inaccuracy is the problem. Today we have a source for every scare one wants to be scared by. But they are largely nonsense.

    But I'll make a bet with you. I bet the sky doesn't fall. Care to take me up?
    I don't make bet's with people that have displayed a propensity for less than genuine intent. But, I never said the 'sky would fall' that is your strawman. And just so you hopefully get this through this time, you Joe, are not the arbiter of what is credible, or not in terms of news sources. So, you'll excuse me if I don't give a tinkers damn what you think about news sourcing that disagrees with your disingenuous push for UHC, or your semantic gymnastics in furthering your misrepresentation of my position.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Care to actually address the question without changing the subject?
    I've already addressed it many times. Apparently the answers aren't what you have been told they should be but you have been answered.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Alot of legislation has been passed in the last 15 years. And it sounds like you haven't supported a single bit of it, lol. When you actually feel like addressing the question let me know.
    There is a great deal of legislation I haven't supported. Some I have. Your question is still not pertinent to the point we've been discussing.

    Nice dodge though.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    I've already addressed it many times. Apparently the answers aren't what you have been told they should be but you have been answered.
    The question you responded to and that you quoted you have never answered on this thread.


    Have you ever supported a piece of legislation and understood that legislation without reading it?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Have you ever supported a piece of legislation and understood that legislation without reading it?
    I'll answer again using small words.

    No.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    There is a great deal of legislation I haven't supported. Some I have. Your question is still not pertinent to the point we've been discussing.
    And again, he dodges the question. You criticize me for arguing that I understand the healthcare legislation without reading it, and yet you can't name a single piece of legislation you've supported over 15 years? How many of them have you read?

    But it's ok, those are tough questions lol.

    At the end of the day your premise that you need to read the legislation is faulty. Do politicians need to read it? I absolutely think so. But for the average citizen, you will learn more from studying many different trustworthy sources on the bill than you will reading the actual bill, and you can learn the facts in much less time. The only people that would argue otherwise are conspiracy theorists that think that one party or another is out to destroy the country or other nonsense.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    I'll answer again using small words.

    No.
    1. That's the first time you've actually answered that question on this thread.

    2. Can you name any legislation that you've actually supported?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    And again, he dodges the question. You criticize me for arguing that I understand the healthcare legislation without reading it, and yet you can't name a single piece of legislation you've supported over 15 years? How many of them have you read?

    But it's ok, those are tough questions lol.

    At the end of the day your premise that you need to read the legislation is faulty. Do politicians need to read it? I absolutely think so. But for the average citizen, you will learn more from studying many different trustworthy sources on the bill than you will reading the actual bill, and you can learn the facts in much less time. The only people that would argue otherwise are conspiracy theorists that think that one party or another is out to destroy the country or other nonsense.
    Let's see, I carry a list in my back pocket.... *sarcasm alert*

    I'd say I've read at least 20 pieces of legislation, as they progressed. How many have YOU read?

    Then figure out where I stand. Here's a hint: My profile says 'Independent'.

    You make your statement based on your opinion, as to who reads legislation. Sorry, those who refuse to read the legislation and wish to argue it with any veracity don't have much of a leg to stand on in calling others conspiracy theorists.

    Which, again, has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, now does it?
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    2. Can you name any legislation that you've actually supported?
    Sure. I thought the change proposed to the Fair Labor Standard giving the employee the option of taking comp time in leiu of OT was a great idea. And I support just about any legislation that eliminates an existing law as I think we have way to many.
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