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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    I've read every mortgage contract I've signed and every other contract I've signed.
    Lol, maybe parts of it, but if you are seriously trying to claim that you read it top to bottom you are lying. My mortgage was easily 100 pages of statements that referred you to other pages, which referred you to parts of state and federal laws. Even if you really spend the days on end it would have required to read it, you wouldn't understand all of it. That's why by law in louisiana, when I signed my mortgage, they had to give me a one or two page document that outlined the mortgage in plain English. So that I could be sure of what I was signing.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Yes, I've signed a mortgage, and I sat there and read and understood the documents... all of them. Drove the closing agent nuts.

    I don't support legislation with out reading it.

    Do you?
    What legislation have you supported in your lifetime?

    I can't believe you are really trying lie like this to prove a point.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I am happy for your Bro in Law....But, contrary to his anecdotal, and my guess less than genuine proclamation of dropping only $2k off some substantial salary he is making, or making up, I have supplied you with many articles, studies, and government based predictive tools that show that the rate of incoming doctors to general practice is way down, and of those doctors currently practicing many are likely to get out when this ramps up....Thus, leaving a shortage.

    Now you try to shrug it off because your brother in law, whom may or may not exist, supposedly tells you that all is well so you say, eh, it's true because he said so? Get outta here.....
    Most of what I recall seeing from you has been from 1) questionable sources, 2) often couched in ifs and maybes and 3) more hyperbolic than anything else.

    My brother in law was just an example. But say he from 300K to 290 K or even 250K. Would he really want to change places with me? You? I'd be happy to review actual dollars loss. My point is they won't be paupers and won't throw away the career for retail.

    However, the reform won't rely on just doctors, and links are already in this thread concerning that. But heres some reading for you:

    Both Medicare and the private sector are engaged in a wide variety of demonstrations and pilot programs designed to encourage greater efficiency and quality in the delivery of care. Many of the early initiatives of the newly created Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (CMMI) within the Center for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) have focused on some aspect of Accountable Care Organizations or the promotion of primary care initiatives.

    More recently, CMMI announced a bundled payment initiative that will test 4 different payment models. Unlike the current system of paying for individual services or according to type of care provided, these payment models use a single payment to cover all of the care provided for an episode of illness, such as a stroke. One model provides for shared savings between physicians and the hospital using a discounted Diagnostic Related Group, or DRG (a predetermined payment for treating a specific condition). Two other models bundle the inpatient stay with postacute care (using differing time periods after the hospital discharge); the bundled payment includes such costs as physician services, services of those providing postacute care, costs for any related readmissions, and all ancillary services provided during the episode. A fourth model pays the hospital a single prospectively determined amount to cover all services provided during the hospital stay, including any physician services.

    JAMA Forum: Sustainable Health Care Reform Requires Changing How Physicians Are Paid news@JAMA

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    What legislation have you supported in your lifetime?

    I can't believe you are really trying lie like this to prove a point.
    I have no reason to lie.

    Here's a handy little link for you. GovTrack.us: Tracking the U.S. Congress
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    I have no reason to lie.

    Here's a handy little link for you. GovTrack.us: Tracking the U.S. Congress
    I've seen the site before.

    What pieces of legislation have you supported? Bush tax cuts? Welfare reform in the 90's? Or did you just start your crusade to read legislation after ObamaCare?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most of what I recall seeing from you has been from 1) questionable sources....

    Stop right there Boo, You have already lost the argument by attacking the source. Truth is you selectively read what you want to, into whatever is contrary to your belief in UHC to start with so, no need to go further, I am not interested in your semantic arguments. All I can say is stay tuned...
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Stop right there Boo, You have already lost the argument by attacking the source. Truth is you selectively read what you want to, into whatever is contrary to your belief in UHC to start with so, no need to go further, I am not interested in your semantic arguments. All I can say is stay tuned...
    Nonsense. Sources always matter. Sources with no history of being accurate cant be accepted. Accuracy matters. repeating an inaccuracy is the problem. Today we have a source for every scare one wants to be scared by. But they are largely nonsense.

    But I'll make a bet with you. I bet the sky doesn't fall. Care to take me up?

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I've seen the site before.

    What pieces of legislation have you supported? Bush tax cuts? Welfare reform in the 90's? Or did you just start your crusade to read legislation after ObamaCare?
    I've been politically aware for about 15 years.

    And what difference does that make regarding knowing what is or is not in the ACA?
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Have you ever supported a piece of legislation and understood that legislation without reading it?
    If the people who vote on it don't read it, why are they in office? Maybe we should elect the ones who read it and explain it to the people voting on it?

    We are about to get another read it after passing with the immigration bill. I'm sure there won't be any suprises in that one either!
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    If the people who vote on it don't read it, why are they in office? Maybe we should elect the ones who read it and explain it to the people voting on it?

    We are about to get another read it after passing with the immigration bill. I'm sure there won't be any suprises in that one either!
    Care to actually address the question without changing the subject?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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