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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    What 'lie' are you stating has been debunked?

    That the individual mandate was 'invented' by conservatives or that the individual mandate was a conservative/center-right plan.

    Guy Incognito said the PACA is a center-right healthcare reform plan. Your article is about the mandate.

    If it's about 'inventing' the mandate, Stuart Butler has built himself a strawman.

    From your quote of the article, Butler says

    In this quote he says that Matthews, Pelosi and others says the mandate "has its roots" - not the strawman, 'invented'.


    If it's about the individual mandate being a conservative/center-right plan.

    The PACA mandate may not be exactly the same as Butler's and the Heritage's mandate, but the concept and roots are most certainly there.


    The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I can only hope that America will grow increasingly tired of the semantic games progressives play....
    Or learn to communicate and understand better.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Well I'm glad you seem to think two teacher who are married as so well off they can afford to buy their own health insurance and pay the subsidy for another. Who knew they were doing so well!
    You have no idea how insurance works, do you?

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It doesn't? Tell me how health care is different from any other service that makes it not susceptible to market forces?
    So, if you break your leg, do you shop around for the best place to get it set?

    If your child passes out, do you go to the yellow pages and shop around to see who will give you the best rates?

    If you're on vacation and get a really bad, possibly deadly infection, do you just wait till you get home to see your doctor?

    If you do any of these things, you'd not only be stupid. You (or your child) would be dead.

    This is why the market is very different when it comes to healthcare.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    The Washington Times is not real news.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh good Lord! Why is it that progressives always need to see the destruction stemming from the their misguided plans before they will even contemplate that they got it wrong.
    It's the scientific method, and also common sense, that you need to see data to back up your hypothesis before declaring it to be correct.

    You are also mistake that because I oppose you in this thread I am necessarily supportive of Obama's healthcare plan. Sloppy reasoning. The only thing progressive about me is my desire to see society progress to a true free market economy. I don't support PACA, but I simply cannot abide the intellectual deficiencies of your bull**** arguments. We probably agree about the policy issues, but your partisan hackery and intellectual dishonesty will always earn you my wrath.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Or learn to communicate and understand better.

    Or the leaders of the country could just be honest about their intent.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So, if you break your leg, do you shop around for the best place to get it set?

    If your child passes out, do you go to the yellow pages and shop around to see who will give you the best rates?

    If you're on vacation and get a really bad, possibly deadly infection, do you just wait till you get home to see your doctor?

    If you do any of these things, you'd not only be stupid. You (or your child) would be dead.

    This is why the market is very different when it comes to healthcare.
    Emergency services you have a small point, but even then many emergency services are not life threatening. For example that broken leg you speak of. If you are transported to a hospital and it is a simple fracture that needs to be set, chances are that you do have the availability to shop around for price points, and competency.

    In other scenarios that may not be the case, but no one ever said that the system didn't need to be fixed, just that taking it over in a quasi fascist way was not the answer.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's the scientific method, and also common sense, that you need to see data to back up your hypothesis before declaring it to be correct.

    You are also mistake that because I oppose you in this thread I am necessarily supportive of Obama's healthcare plan. Sloppy reasoning. The only thing progressive about me is my desire to see society progress to a true free market economy. I don't support PACA, but I simply cannot abide the intellectual deficiencies of your bull**** arguments. We probably agree about the policy issues, but your partisan hackery and intellectual dishonesty will always earn you my wrath.
    Ok, let me back up a little then...I think that once this law is fully implemented that it will cause a rapid decline into services, and quality of care given to the point that the government will have no choice but to take it over fully, and run it. At that point, you will see some of the horrors reported by other countries in their own UHC systems, just in time for me to reach the point in my life where I will need increasing levels of health care....
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You have no idea how insurance works, do you?
    Of course I do. I pay for mine each month and now, thanks to Obamacare I'll get to pay someone elses too!
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