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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think you're missing the entire concept of health insurance.
    That's funny, so is Obama!

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post

    Your entire argument relies on the belief that a great number of people who don't have the money to pay for much of anything (whether insurance or care) will somehow end up paying. As though there are many people out there getting health care for free but who could afford to be paying. I don't believe this is true in general, with one glaring exception: Medicare beneficiaries.
    What he's trying to tell you isn't rocket science. You're just not paying attention to the elementary instructions in understanding economics. You need to get by that before you can talk on his level about health care. And alas, for a libertarian it seems to me that would be an impossibility. The world of imaginary pie in the sky politics needs to be separated from reality.
    First off, what is causing your malfunction in responding to posts?

    Second, you also haven't offered any explanation as to how expanding access to the status of being "covered" lowers the prices providers charge. What is the cost control mechanism? If you keep letting fly with insults, I'll just assume you don't know.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You're the ones always demanding that extremely high deductible plans meet the requirements
    News flash: your cheap as **** plan with a $10,000 deductible isn't health insurance.
    Actually, that is health insurance. Everything else is prepaid health care.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It still looks like you mistaken believe that a significant number of people who don't have the money to pay for much of anything (whether insurance or care) will somehow end up paying. Or, stated another way, that there are many people out there getting health care for free but who could afford to be paying. I don't believe this is true in general, with one glaring exception: Medicare beneficiaries.
    You do have young people who are not insured and working people not insured who could contribute some. Yes. By try to grasp that isn't the core of my argument.

    I can't make sense of what you're trying to say in this paragraph.
    Which explains why you're missing the argument. I've tried to explain it a couple of ways for you. Our ad hoc system has no real control, so the costs, that sixteen dollar bandaid, hiked to cover those who don't pay, is arbitrary in the sense that no one knows if it has to be that much to cover the costs. Once they no longer have to do that, we can see better what healthcare actually costs.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do have young people who are not insured and working people not insured who could contribute some. Yes. By try to grasp that isn't the core of my argument.



    Which explains why you're missing the argument. I've tried to explain it a couple of ways for you. Our ad hoc system has no real control, so the costs, that sixteen dollar bandaid, hiked to cover those who don't pay, is arbitrary in the sense that no one knows if it has to be that much to cover the costs. Once they no longer have to do that, we can see better what healthcare actually costs.
    Your health care system is a total mess. But on the bright side, when people are screwed around long enough sometimes revolutions happen. You will though have to be vigilant in guarding against the rabid extreme right hijacking it again. That's what happened to OWS and happened to the tea baggers before they even got anything resembling a populist movement in gear.

    I think you still have some time before people get serious. However, such things as Zimmerman/Martin happen and juries made very bad decisions. That could light a fire but then it would require some proper direction to proceed to anything worthwhile.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Your health care system is a total mess. But on the bright side, when people are screwed around long enough sometimes revolutions happen. You will though have to be vigilant in guarding against the rabid extreme right hijacking it again. That's what happened to OWS and happened to the tea baggers before they even got anything resembling a populist movement in gear.

    I think you still have some time before people get serious. However, such things as Zimmerman/Martin happen and juries made very bad decisions. That could light a fire but then it would require some proper direction to proceed to anything worthwhile.
    Not my health care system. I support a single payer system, UHC.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not my health care system. I support a single payer system, UHC.
    I sincerely wish you the best of luck but I fear that the right's case would be totally destroyed if it is ever allowed to prove itself. There is enough big money involved to keep their fight up until the end of Obama's term and then they will move against it with full force. That means that the only hope is that the obvious benefits in it are seen by the people to be convincing. If that happens then they could never destroy it.

    I'm not totally conversant on it all but I suspect that point has not been reached yet and perhaps won't be before Obama's gone.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    I sincerely wish you the best of luck but I fear that the right's case would be totally destroyed if it is ever allowed to prove itself. There is enough big money involved to keep their fight up until the end of Obama's term and then they will move against it with full force. That means that the only hope is that the obvious benefits in it are seen by the people to be convincing. If that happens then they could never destroy it.

    I'm not totally conversant on it all but I suspect that point has not been reached yet and perhaps won't be before Obama's gone.
    Health care has been an issue for as long as I can remember. Those who don't want reform have always done a good job of demonizing and making sure nothing gets done. As bad as this effort is, it's the first cement forward I can remember. Well see how it plays out.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    No, it's not free. But you don't pay NEARLY the amount for employer-provided insurance as you do for individual insurance because the risk-pool is larger. In the case of a public school teacher, they would be in the risk pool with all county or state employees and thus, premiums would be lower - and a portion is paid by the employer.
    Well I'm glad you seem to think two teacher who are married as so well off they can afford to buy their own health insurance and pay the subsidy for another. Who knew they were doing so well!
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which explains why you're missing the argument. I've tried to explain it a couple of ways for you. Our ad hoc system has no real control, so the costs, that sixteen dollar bandaid, hiked to cover those who don't pay, is arbitrary in the sense that no one knows if it has to be that much to cover the costs. Once they no longer have to do that, we can see better what healthcare actually costs.
    Nonsense, can you show me in the law where any of the providers as the current law is written, states that they must reign in costs? We see wild swings for the same things like that $16 band aid, or a surgical procedure from one hospital to another, but nothing in the ACA says that has to change....
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