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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm not sure how that speaks to my above point about the effects of expanded care, particularly via govt programs. Those programs have shown success in it's absence

    EDIT: You also seemingly ignored by point about the lack of healthy and full paying individuals in the exchanges ...
    It was related to a link of alternates working.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    How do you figure that?



    Well UHC isn't what we have. What we have is current law and you are arguing it will have a positive effects on costs and premiums. Clearly that is not true in all cases, as with small businesses ...



    I'm not sure why you are trying to change topics here



    reads like an empty platitude
    You make money by demand. And thus also encourages alternative deliveries and more doctors.

    While UHC isn't what we have, true, we have to deal with these convoluted alternatives until we do. It's the by product of not having the will to actually tackle the problem. It's not a changing of the topic but moving it forward.

    Not sure how the truth is empty, but it is what it is.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You make money by demand. And thus also encourages alternative deliveries and more doctors.
    1) you realize primary care physicians are already in short supply and there is an already existing deterrence to govt payments?

    While UHC isn't what we have, true, we have to deal with these convoluted alternatives until we do.
    Then why are you trying to deflect from the discussion to bring up some red herring about UHC?


    It's the by product of not having the will to actually tackle the problem. It's not a changing of the topic but moving it forward.
    And they call me chuckles ...

    Not sure how the truth is empty, but it is what it is.
    because it reads like something that is suppose to give the illusion of profound meaning when it is simply a statement without any meaningful content
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It was related to a link of alternates working.
    that doesn't make sense

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    [QUOTE=Michael66;1061931661]It's just become an exercise in contrariness toward everything that Obama has tried to do. [quote]

    1) I'm not sure how that changes this simply expands the current system

    2) Obama was against single payer and UHC, and the public option was used as little more than a weak bargaining chip.


    Until that basic truth is accepted then there's really no good reason to go around in circles on the issue.
    There are really no circles to go around. It's a plan dependent on the insurance industry, Hence, the importance of the personal mandate.

    Universal health care is the only answer and until that comes about your system will continue to bankrupt your country and fail the people.
    Depending on what you mean by UHC I probably agree with you. But that doesn't really speak to the current law

    If you are interested in discussing it with a Canadian in an honest way then I'm more than happy to oblige. That will include criticisms of our system and my excuses for why it can be criticized. Along with the obvious solutions for making it as good as France's. The world's best!
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    This is the problem with health care - GOVERNMENT - insurance companies should be able to offer what the people want not what the dictators dictate.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Ironically, that would be more expensive for the individual holders than my high deductible policy that is no longer allowed to be issued.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    So if I sign up, pay a $321 premium for a month, get the necessary paper work, and stop paying what happens? I show the IRS fascist my docs showing them I had insurance month one and what - wait for them to audit or what?

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    So if I sign up, pay a $321 premium for a month, get the necessary paper work, and stop paying what happens? I show the IRS fascist my docs showing them I had insurance month one and what - wait for them to audit or what?
    I'm not sure enforcement is something they flushed out at this point

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    This is the problem with health care - GOVERNMENT - insurance companies should be able to offer what the people want not what the dictators dictate.
    Not exactly. They are trying to soak the people who can better afford such policies as a way to finance the others' policies. Most of Obamacare is a giant backdoor, off the books tax whether you have insurance or not. They want to force everybody who makes more than $75K a year to subsidize the insurance for everybody who makes below that amount.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    So if I sign up, pay a $321 premium for a month, get the necessary paper work, and stop paying what happens? I show the IRS fascist my docs showing them I had insurance month one and what - wait for them to audit or what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm not sure enforcement is something they flushed out at this point
    My guess is you will get a statement every year from your insurance(s) kind of like a 1099 or w-2 verify what months you were insured in. Unless you have documentation for the whole year you will get penalized unless your income is low enough to be exempted from the penalty, so I imagine a part of a month is the biggest gap you could have and not face at least a pro-rated penalty.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1) you realize primary care physicians are already in short supply and there is an already existing deterrence to govt payments?



    Then why are you trying to deflect from the discussion to bring up some red herring about UHC?




    And they call me chuckles ...



    because it reads like something that is suppose to give the illusion of profound meaning when it is simply a statement without any meaningful content
    Are you saying the free market wont react to an increased demand for doctor services?
    Why? Is there something wrong with the free market?
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