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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Elementary school teachers would take insurance through their employer, so that's a moot point.
    Are you saying they get it for free? Huh, I bet a lot of teachers would like to know to sign up for that!
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I love this rightwing meme. It's almost as far-fetched as the teleprompter meme.
    Memememe. It's not always about you Head. Now continue your babbling.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    They would be the same idiots who passed it before reading it.
    I love this rightwing meme. It's almost as far-fetched as the teleprompter meme.
    Yes, totally far-fetched. I think it's pretty much a given that they didn't read it after it was passed, either.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Are you saying they get it for free? Huh, I bet a lot of teachers would like to know to sign up for that!
    No, it's not free. But you don't pay NEARLY the amount for employer-provided insurance as you do for individual insurance because the risk-pool is larger. In the case of a public school teacher, they would be in the risk pool with all county or state employees and thus, premiums would be lower - and a portion is paid by the employer.

    I'm honestly a little surprised at some of the basics of insurance that some people don't seem to get.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    We needed to do something
    Baucus warns of 'huge train wreck' enacting ObamaCare provisions - The Hill

    Obamacare architect Rockefeller: It's 'beyond comprehension' | WashingtonExaminer

    Harry Reid: Obamacare Will Be A 'Train Wreck' If Not Properly Implemented - HuffPo

    Chuck Schumer says Obamacare partly responsible for premium hikes | WashingtonExaminer

    on april 25 the nyt reported jean shaheen's and tom harkin's and uber lib ben cardin's (in ultra cooperative, dark blue maryland) concerns---part time jobs, robbing from wellness to pay propaganda, and premiums (up 25%, announces carefirst which covers 70% of terrapins)...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us...lout.html?_r=0

    choo choo!

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't know what chart Krugman is looking at, but the one he links shows that "a large part of the rise in the disability rolls" reflected "simple demographics" was true from about 2002-2008. Since 2009, however, only a very small part of rise in disability rolls "reflects simple demographics" (the difference in slope being much, much less pronounced). Someone should tell Krugman that the entirety of the "aging baby boomers" has been in the "older worker" column since 2009, and started leaving for retirement in 2011.

    If you want to understand the trouble Democrats are in, all you need to do is try following the "logic" of one Paul Krugman.
    Wait a second, if the rate of increase is not as great post recession (your "after 2009"), then the increases in DI awards are not attributable to "Fakers/takers" since unemployment and those not seeking work have remained steady, employment has barely kept pace with population.

    The increases are almost entirely attributable to demographics:
    http://www.cbpp.org/files/8-9-12ss.pdf
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    "At Congressional hearings this week, Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, said it was necessary to tap the prevention fund because Congress had refused to provide money requested by the president for outreach and education activities."
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    It's insurance. You can't just look at a single year and say "see you're over paying!" Because then you overlook that one year where you needed emergency surgery with a short stay in the ICU, where you shelled out a few thousand but didn't have to pay the other hundred thousand dollars of your bill. Do you really not understand that or are you being intentionally thick headed?
    he's being rational, given guaranteed issuance.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Well you have to consider the subsidies for the poor. The deductible might still be unaffordable, but is a lot better than paying out of pocket, if you do happen to get sick. In any case, the first couple years of this the tax penalty is so low that this can just be ignored. After that, it will be a harder decision.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, said...
    LOL!

    what does the minister of information say?

    in other words, tell it to harkin, who is "beyond upset"

    tell it to the author, chair of senate finance, tell it to his health care subcommittee chair...

    all aboard!

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