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Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

Fruityfact said:
Anything to back up your theory..other than calling him a socialist Kenyan or something of the sort?
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Just look at the issues he supports, gay marriage, abortion rights, Dream Act, Obamacare these are not thing a person on the right generally gets out and actively supports. You have to be seriously delusional to say he is to the right of anyone except someone on the far left.
 
Heebie Jeebie said:
Just look at the issues he supports, gay marriage, abortion rights, Dream Act, Obamacare these are not thing a person on the right generally gets out and actively supports. You have to be seriously delusional to say he is to the right of anyone except someone on the far left.
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Can't we agree that reasonable access to abortion and gay marriage are mainstream good ideals that should be supported by everyone who isn't hampered by religious superstitions? And then the Dream act is left and that was and probably is supported by the political right as well.

Therein lies more proof of the real problem. The baggers have their noses in the nation's serious business and that is preventing the real political right from doing what's obviously the right thing. And fwiw, what's the right thing for their own political futures!
 
Fruityfact said:
Anything to back up your theory..other than calling him a socialist Kenyan or something of the sort?
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Nobody in this entire thread has called Obama a socialist, or a Kenyan. So that is your lie.
 
Michael66 said:
Can't we agree that reasonable access to abortion and gay marriage are mainstream good ideals that should be supported by everyone who isn't hampered by religious superstitions? And then the Dream act is left and that was and probably is supported by the political right as well.

Therein lies more proof of the real problem. The baggers have their noses in the nation's serious business and that is preventing the real political right from doing what's obviously the right thing. And fwiw, what's the right thing for their own political futures!
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I'm not commenting on the appropriateness of those issues only that they are not associated with the right. They are issues championed by the left and Obama champions them all so to call him a right leaning politician is just crazy.
 
j-mac said:
Nobody in this entire thread has called Obama a socialist, or a Kenyan. So that is your lie.
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Was he talking about "just this thread"? No.
 
TheNextEra said:
Was he talking about "just this thread"? No.
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I don't think you can find many, if anybody in these boards that have consistently called Obama a socialist, or Kenyan as a pejorative....This is a lie told by progressives defending Obama by trying to call names, and stifle any opposition....It's bull.
 
j-mac said:
I don't think you can find many, if anybody in these boards that have consistently called Obama a socialist, or Kenyan as a pejorative....This is a lie told by progressives defending Obama by trying to call names, and stifle any opposition....It's bull.
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Which again tells us more about the creepiness of the baggers. Both 'Kenyan' and 'socialist' and much worse have been used by the baggers when they don't need to be identified. But when they understand that their creepiness will reflect badly on them, they disappear into their holes as rodents are known to do.

I'm just glad there's nobody here that's got the huevos (eggs) to defend them!
 
Michael66 said:
Which again tells us more about the creepiness of the baggers. Both 'Kenyan' and 'socialist' and much worse have been used by the baggers when they don't need to be identified. But when they understand that their creepiness will reflect badly on them, they disappear into their holes as rodents are known to do.

I'm just glad there's nobody here that's got the huevos (eggs) to defend them!
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That's just nonsense. Can't people like you accept that not everyone is going to agree with your ideology? And, that instead of lying about others, and calling names, you need to make your arguments like an adult, and with facts?
 
Guy Incognito said:
A two thousand door deductible is nothing compared to how high medical bills can get in catastrophic circumstances.
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I can pay it without a problem. They people that wanted this so bad had no idea, can't pay it, and are going to crap a brick when it's asked of them.

And there STILL won't be anywhere near enough money to pay for the catastrophic stuff you mention. Doctors are running for the hills.
 
Erod said:
I can pay it without a problem. They people that wanted this so bad had no idea, can't pay it, and are going to crap a brick when it's asked of them.

And there STILL won't be anywhere near enough money to pay for the catastrophic stuff you mention. Doctors are running for the hills.
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That remains to be seen.
 
Guy Incognito said:
That remains to be seen.
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Oh good Lord! Why is it that progressives always need to see the destruction stemming from the their misguided plans before they will even contemplate that they got it wrong.
 
j-mac said:
Oh good Lord! Why is it that progressives always need to see the destruction stemming from the their misguided plans before they will even contemplate that they got it wrong.
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Cause they're never wrong dontcha know!!!:lamo
 
j-mac said:
Adopting the Center for American Progress line of BS I see....This lie has been debunked over and over since it was first uttered by the likes of Chris Matthews, Nancy Pelosi, and the like....



So, the meme is simply not true.
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What 'lie' are you stating has been debunked?

That the individual mandate was 'invented' by conservatives or that the individual mandate was a conservative/center-right plan.

Guy Incognito said the PACA is a center-right healthcare reform plan. Your article is about the mandate.

If it's about 'inventing' the mandate, Stuart Butler has built himself a strawman.

From your quote of the article, Butler says
ObamaCare "adopts the 'individual mandate' concept from the conservative Heritage Foundation," Jonathan Alter wrote recently in The Washington Post. MSNBC's Chris Matthews makes the same claim, asserting that Republican support of a mandate "has its roots in a proposal by the conservative Heritage Foundation." Former House speaker Nancy Pelosi and others have made similar claims.
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In this quote he says that Matthews, Pelosi and others says the mandate "has its roots" - not the strawman, 'invented'.


If it's about the individual mandate being a conservative/center-right plan.

The PACA mandate may not be exactly the same as Butler's and the Heritage's mandate, but the concept and roots are most certainly there.


The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
 
BWG said:
What 'lie' are you stating has been debunked?

That the individual mandate was 'invented' by conservatives or that the individual mandate was a conservative/center-right plan.

Guy Incognito said the PACA is a center-right healthcare reform plan. Your article is about the mandate.

If it's about 'inventing' the mandate, Stuart Butler has built himself a strawman.

From your quote of the article, Butler says

In this quote he says that Matthews, Pelosi and others says the mandate "has its roots" - not the strawman, 'invented'.


If it's about the individual mandate being a conservative/center-right plan.

The PACA mandate may not be exactly the same as Butler's and the Heritage's mandate, but the concept and roots are most certainly there.


The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
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I can only hope that America will grow increasingly tired of the semantic games progressives play....
 
j-mac said:
I can only hope that America will grow increasingly tired of the semantic games progressives play....
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Or learn to communicate and understand better. :shrug:
 
Heebie Jeebie said:
Well I'm glad you seem to think two teacher who are married as so well off they can afford to buy their own health insurance and pay the subsidy for another. Who knew they were doing so well!
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You have no idea how insurance works, do you?
 
j-mac said:
It doesn't? Tell me how health care is different from any other service that makes it not susceptible to market forces?
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So, if you break your leg, do you shop around for the best place to get it set?

If your child passes out, do you go to the yellow pages and shop around to see who will give you the best rates?

If you're on vacation and get a really bad, possibly deadly infection, do you just wait till you get home to see your doctor?

If you do any of these things, you'd not only be stupid. You (or your child) would be dead.

This is why the market is very different when it comes to healthcare.
 
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