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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You forget that he is a deadbeat and they don't worry about paying for the unexpected, they'll just use the emergency room. There will always be deadbeats gaming the system. They have nothing to lose so we really can't stop them entirely. The fines will increase in time and sooner or later it will dawn on them that it's better to have insurance than not.
    kinda like the deadbeat welfare queens that you liberals have forced the tax payer to support them and their children?

    you have no right to tell anyone about deadbeat anything

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    kinda like the deadbeat welfare queens that you liberals have forced the tax payer to support them and their children?

    you have no right to tell anyone about deadbeat anything
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    A previous post explained that the penalty for not buying insurance in the first year would be $95.00 + 1% of your income. For the example given, a person making $17k annually would pay $44 a month for insurance. But doing the math shows that that same person would pay a $280 penalty for not buying insurance.
    Plus the costs of w/e Dr. visits cost vs the costs of the copay. So everyone signs up at their first Dr's visit? The difference between 280 and 500 isn't that great. It wouldn't take too many Dr visits to tip the scales.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    My original point is that the health insurers will not be able to survive the early years of the program because they will lose a huge portion of their operating funds when people realize that it is cheaper and low risk to simply not buy insurance.
    How many years until health insurance agencies fail to survive?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Because companies will drop private insurance and workers will be forced into Obama care.
    Weren't companies dropping insurance before reform? Do you really think those dropping need reform to make them drop? Really?

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    kinda like the deadbeat welfare queens that you liberals have forced the tax payer to support them and their children?

    you have no right to tell anyone about deadbeat anything
    You mean like corporate welfare YOU on the right support. You have no right to tell anyone about deadbeat anything.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Have you included the subsidy for families making less that ~$90k?
    So it makes it way more expensive for those making over $90k, since they will be paying for their insurance and the subsidies? I didn't realize 2 married elementary school teachers were so well off that they could afford to pay for all that!
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    It's called the lemon package. Patients who get their daily dose of Vitamin C should never have to pay their full deductible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So when does the "Affordable" part of the Affordable Care Act kick in? High
    deductibles and high co-pays were not what Obama sold us.
    It's not a sale. You are required to buy it. If you don't, you should be able to afford the penalty.

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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It's called the lemon package. Patients who get their daily dose of Vitamin C should never have to pay their full deductible.
    Many plans offered in employer based benefits packages now are like that....Many people don't understand what insurance is supposed to be these days, because they use it for everything from the standard office visit, to catastrophic care...Problem is, that many insurance plans are NOT true insurance of anything, including this Obama nightmare...They are standard visit discount plans.

    It's not a sale. You are required to buy it. If you don't, you should be able to afford the penalty.
    Could you show me in the Constitution where it says that the federal government can force me to buy a private product?
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So when does the "Affordable" part of the Affordable Care Act kick in? High deductibles and high co-pays were not what Obama sold us.
    Even with this... Leftists will never learn government intrusion always increases costs while making service worse. Never learn.

    But I feel comfortable knowing the IRS will be there to ensure compliance for this rude little Leftist scheme.
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    Re: Obamacare: Is a $2,000 deductible 'affordable?'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Even with this... Leftists will never learn government intrusion always increases costs while making service worse. Never learn.

    But I feel comfortable knowing the IRS will be there to ensure compliance for this rude little Leftist scheme.
    Won't it be wonderful when we are in our 70s, or 80s, should we be so lucky, and need that hip replacement, only to be told that we need to tell some IRS goon what we pray?
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