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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Nice "counterpoint."

    The author of the 14th Amendment, Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."

    See also the 1884 case Elk v. Wilkins, in which the Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment didn't apply to Native Americans, because they weren't "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S.


    So again, the comments were probably not incorrect. The kid is not automatically an American just by being born here, and it is not some vile, racist hate crime for people to wonder if this choice was part of the same non-stop PC agenda to shove illegal immigrants down our throats.
    And many proponents at the time disagreed with with Howard's interpretation. And Native Americans HAVE been found to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, so they are obviously born citizens. The only children NOT born citizens when born in the US are the children of diplomats because they are not, in fact subject to our jurisdiction. Immigrants, even undocumented ones, are most certainly subject to our jurisdiction.

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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    With all the problems our country is facing right now, I find it hard to believe that people are so concerned about some little boy singing the National Anthem at an event.

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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    That's the very definition of racism - treating on individual differently because of the actions or characteristics (actual or assumed) of other people who happen to be in the same racial grouping.

    You could make an argument that it's not bad or wrong but you can't deny that it is discrimination by definition.
    It's no unassailable position that these commenters took, but don't break into their country by the millions and rape their system and then act all indignant when they get sensitive about it.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner (paraphrasing James Bovard).

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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    And many proponents at the time disagreed with with Howard's interpretation. And Native Americans HAVE been found to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, so they are obviously born citizens. The only children NOT born citizens when born in the US are the children of diplomats because they are not, in fact subject to our jurisdiction. Immigrants, even undocumented ones, are most certainly subject to our jurisdiction.
    Yeah, why would the AUTHOR of the 14th Amendment know better what it meant than other random people who were pushing it?

    And the Supreme Court has trampled the Constitution more than just about anything. Simply saying that they up and decided something doesn't make it so. These are the people who legalized slavery, for God's sake. They hilariously deemed Obamacare constitutional. They are AT WAR with the Constitution as much as the REST of the Federal Government at this point.

    They may have invented birthright citizenship out of thin air, but that doesn't make it legitimate.
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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    With all the problems our country is facing right now, I find it hard to believe that people are so concerned about some little boy singing the National Anthem at an event.
    It's not about the boy. It's about this invasion of criminals breaking into our country, bankrupting our system and being protected by Democrats as Rome burns.
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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    It's not about the boy. It's about this invasion of criminals breaking into our country, bankrupting our system and being protected by Democrats as Rome burns.
    I hear you about that, but the boy isn't an illegal immigrant. I just thought adults were intelligent enough to realize that we have plenty of legal Hispanic citizens, a lot of them born and raised in this country.

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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I hear you about that, but the boy isn't an illegal immigrant. I just thought adults were intelligent enough to realize that we have plenty of legal Hispanic citizens, a lot of them born and raised in this country.
    Again, it's no unassailable position that these commenters took, but don't break into their country by the millions and rape their system and then act all indignant when they get sensitive about it and overreact.
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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Again, it's no unassailable position that these commenters took, but don't break into their country by the millions and rape their system and then act all indignant when they get sensitive about It and overreact.
    They should be smart enough to realize that just because someone looks Hispanic, that doesn't mean they are an illegal immigrant. It's a pretty darn ignorant position to take I would say.

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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They should be smart enough to realize that just because someone looks Hispanic, that doesn't mean they are an illegal immigrant. It's a pretty darn ignorant position to take I would say.
    As is condemning someone for being sensitive about being invaded and overrun by millions of criminals. Do you spell-check people at gun point, too? Cut them a little slack.
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    Re: Mexican-American boy's national anthem sparks racist comments

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They should be smart enough to realize that just because someone looks Hispanic, that doesn't mean they are an illegal immigrant. It's a pretty darn ignorant position to take I would say.
    And unless I'm just missing it in the article, it does not appear to state anywhere in it that the boys parents immigrated here legally. And since, as I demonstrated earlier, birthright citizenship is an invented myth, the boy, in that case, would NOT be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S. and therefore WOULD be a foreigner/illegal immigrant.

    Since you wanted to get so technical and unforgiving about supposed lapses in these people's logic.
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