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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So allowing people to die is the answer?
    No...the answer is clear and it already begun. First, modify the 3x law to reflect that people actually THOUGHT the law did, i.e., toughen sanctions against the most serious and violent felony offenders. This doesn't mean throwing the book at a 58 year old drug addict arrested for a rock of cocaine who has two robbery convictions from 27 years ago. The voter passed initiative in the last election requires that the third strike be a serious or violent offense. Consequently, prison beds will not be taken up with long prison sentences by those convicted of non-violent offenses.
    The second solution is to change the law to allow simple possession to be charged as a wobbler, i.e., a felony or misdemeanor depending on the facts and the individuals record. This ensures that those who are first or relatively minor offenders will not spend lengthy prison sentences taking up beds that should be reserved for serious/violent offenders, while still allowing the prosecution leverage to charge repeat offenders as felons, thus allowing lengthier sentences.

    Those are just 2 examples of "Smart Justice"....things that can be done that actually SAVE taxpayer money. Why is it that so-called "Conservatives" only solutions to the problems is spending more and more tax payer money building more prisons?
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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...the answer is clear and it already begun. First, modify the 3x law to reflect that people actually THOUGHT the law did, i.e., toughen sanctions against the most serious and violent felony offenders. This doesn't mean throwing the book at a 58 year old drug addict arrested for a rock of cocaine who has two robbery convictions from 27 years ago. The voter passed initiative in the last election requires that the third strike be a serious or violent offense. Consequently, prison beds will not be taken up with long prison sentences by those convicted of non-violent offenses.
    The second solution is to change the law to allow simple possession to be charged as a wobbler, i.e., a felony or misdemeanor depending on the facts and the individuals record. This ensures that those who are first or relatively minor offenders will not spend lengthy prison sentences taking up beds that should be reserved for serious/violent offenders, while still allowing the prosecution leverage to charge repeat offenders as felons, thus allowing lengthier sentences.

    Those are just 2 examples of "Smart Justice"....things that can be done that actually SAVE taxpayer money. Why is it that so-called "Conservatives" only solutions to the problems is spending more and more tax payer money building more prisons?
    Smart Justice?

    Hey, I've had to live with what voters have done to this state, so why shouldn't those too stupid to stay out of prison have to do the same. Voters passed a law to modify 3X laws. So be it.

    How does that change the fact violent criminals are being released due to budget deficts caused by overspending?

    You write about leaps in logic while still in the air from the last post.

    How many 3X felons because of $5 rocks of crack do you think are in the state prison population? Care to post some numbers?

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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Smart Justice?

    Hey, I've had to live with what voters have done to this state, so why shouldn't those too stupid to stay out of prison have to do the same. Voters passed a law to modify 3X laws. So be it.

    How does that change the fact violent criminals are being released due to budget deficts caused by overspending?

    You write about leaps in logic while still in the air from the last post.

    How many 3X felons because of $5 rocks of crack do you think are in the state prison population? Care to post some numbers?
    Sure...when I get a chance I'll do some research for you and post it. Here is a start....showing how Smart Justice like Prop 36 has decreased the levels of non-violent offenders in prison, thus freeing up more space for violent/serious offenders:

    California's Changing Prison Population (PPIC Publication)
    The violent crime rate has dropped from more than 1,000 per 100,000 residents in 1990 to less than 500 in 2010. The number of prisoners serving time for drug offenses has dropped by 20,000 since 2000, in part due to Proposition 36, which mandates treatment instead of incarceration for some drug felons. More recently, under realignment, many other nonviolent felony offenders are now remanded to local custody instead of to state prison, further concentrating the proportion of violent felony offenders in state institutions.


    And yet again.....you cry about "overspending"....and what is the one solution that you have offered to this debate? Lets see......hmmmmmm......Spending millions and millions of taxpayer money building more prisons and employing more prison guards. Forgive me if I'm tripping over your blatant hypocritical gaps in logic.
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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Care to back up that bold faced lie with an example of someone in Los Angeles recently who defended his home against a burglar who was arrested and charged?
    Hey disneydude

    Just want to remind you, you can't even shoot your Daisy Red Ryder BB gun with in the city limits of Los Angeles.

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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure...when I get a chance I'll do some research for you and post it. Here is a start....showing how Smart Justice like Prop 36 has decreased the levels of non-violent offenders in prison, thus freeing up more space for violent/serious offenders:

    California's Changing Prison Population (PPIC Publication)
    The violent crime rate has dropped from more than 1,000 per 100,000 residents in 1990 to less than 500 in 2010. The number of prisoners serving time for drug offenses has dropped by 20,000 since 2000, in part due to Proposition 36, which mandates treatment instead of incarceration for some drug felons. More recently, under realignment, many other nonviolent felony offenders are now remanded to local custody instead of to state prison, further concentrating the proportion of violent felony offenders in state institutions.


    And yet again.....you cry about "overspending"....and what is the one solution that you have offered to this debate? Lets see......hmmmmmm......Spending millions and millions of taxpayer money building more prisons and employing more prison guards. Forgive me if I'm tripping over your blatant hypocritical gaps in logic.
    Hmmm.

    Well, I suppose I'll try to overlook the fact you have posted something over a year old, and from the wildly Progressive Public Policy Institute.

    Of course there is this part from your friends at PPIC:

    In response to the Supreme Court mandate, California now sends many lower-level offenders to local custody instead of to state prison. Since the advent of realignment on October 1, 2011, the total in-custody prison population has fallen by 12%, from 161,000 to 141,000 at the end of February 2012.

    Again, about that local custody thing. What do you think happens when those violent criminals hit the local levels? They are getting released, as I have posted from numerous sources.

    Then there is this, from the same source:

    Though the violent crime rate is down, a majority of prisoners (63%) are serving time for violent crimes.

    I thought the state prisons were full of innocent 3X felons caught with $5 rocks of crack?

    You're not gaining much ground here DD.

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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey disneydude

    Just want to remind you, you can't even shoot your Daisy Red Ryder BB gun with in the city limits of Los Angeles.

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    Why would I want to?
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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Hmmm.

    Well, I suppose I'll try to overlook the fact you have posted something over a year old, and from the wildly Progressive Public Policy Institute.

    Of course there is this part from your friends at PPIC:

    In response to the Supreme Court mandate, California now sends many lower-level offenders to local custody instead of to state prison. Since the advent of realignment on October 1, 2011, the total in-custody prison population has fallen by 12%, from 161,000 to 141,000 at the end of February 2012.

    Again, about that local custody thing. What do you think happens when those violent criminals hit the local levels? They are getting released, as I have posted from numerous sources.

    Then there is this, from the same source:

    Though the violent crime rate is down, a majority of prisoners (63%) are serving time for violent crimes.

    I thought the state prisons were full of innocent 3X felons caught with $5 rocks of crack?

    You're not gaining much ground here DD.
    LOL....another incredible show of logic from you.

    Thank you for pointing out in your post that I am correct....that the effect of smart justice progams is having a successful effect in ensuring that the majority of prisoners are serving time for violent crimes when you change the laws taking up beds for the $5 rock offender. Classic!

    Prior to Prop 36 and the modification of 3x those offenders were taking up prison beds.

    Leave it to a "conservative" to stare succesful legislation in the face and fail to see the effects.
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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why would I want to?
    Because it's a boy thing.

    You don't want the kids in your neighborhood bullying you and calling you a liberal pantywaist do you ?

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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Because it's a boy thing.

    You don't want the kids in your neighborhood bullying you and calling you a liberal pantywaist do you ?
    thats funny...nah....I never had a gun, although I shot guns in Scouting and stuff like that....never really enjoyed it. I had no problems being bullied or called a "lberal panywaist"...I was pretty easy to get along with.
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    Re: Grandma, 72, shoots at home intruder in California, defends actions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As if she had to defend her actions:



    Sans her gun, we'd be reading a very different story about Gram and her 85-year-old husband.

    If we're going to report horror stories, we need to report when the good guys win. Thoughts?
    Someone needs to take Granny down to the range.
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