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A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107:233]

Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

lizzie said:
Exactly. People are acting as if this is some harmless little aspirin. Sex hormones (just as with other hormones) are not something that should be taken without serious consideration. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go grab a Levothyroxin off the shelf, if I thought my thyroid was underactive.
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I agree, I think this is one of the medications in the best interest of public health that should not be completely OTC. Part of keeping medications prescription only is ensuring that their access and use is limited and followed properly. As an OTC product there is nothing stopping anyone from using it every day or from young kids using it. I've had several patients ask very disturbing questions regarding it (like thinking it can properly regulate their period, reduce bleeding, enhances breasts, etc.) and I've even heard of a case where a woman asked if she could get it and take it prior to willingly engaging in unprotected sex on a weekend orgy event... This isn't something that should be on the shelf with the Tylenol and aspirin. As far as public health goes this is a mistake.
 
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lizzie said:
No idea, but it's a synthetic hormone/combo (depending on the specific preparation), so I'm guessing it's not cheap.
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Plan B One Step Emergency Contraceptive Must be 17 or over to purchase without a prescription | drugstore.com

47.99 at drugstore.com

Plan B One Step Emergency Contraceptive Must be 17 or over to purchase without a prescription | drugstore.com

Not chump change for the young girls. For those who think this will cause limitless slutitude by girls because they have access are just not in touch with reality.
 
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year2late said:
Plan B One Step Emergency Contraceptive Must be 17 or over to purchase without a prescription | drugstore.com

47.99 at drugstore.com

Plan B One Step Emergency Contraceptive Must be 17 or over to purchase without a prescription | drugstore.com

Not chump change for the young girls. For those who think this will cause limitless slutitude by girls because they have access are just not in touch with reality.
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I'm not worried about the slutitude, as that is already a fact. I just don't think that making a sex hormone OTC is a good idea, especially when young girls can buy it.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

kerussll said:
Yes, let's send the traumatized rape victim out on her own to go to Walgreens and either delay her medical treatment or delay a very time-sensitive birth control method. Suck it up girl, some guy's political beliefs are at stake here!
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Yup, life goes on. If you don't already own some Plan-B, go buy some, you have no excuse now. I'm sure someone a victim knows can go buy some for her if need be.

Being a victim doesn't mean your helpless and you don't get a pass on life. Expect to be billed for the medical treatment and lawyer services if you hire one.
 
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lizzie said:
I'm not worried about the slutitude, as that is already a fact. I just don't think that making a sex hormone OTC is a good idea, especially when young girls can buy it.
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I agree that taking a hormone is a great idea, nor do I think that a 15 year old carrying a baby to term or having an abortion is a good idea.


My difficulty is that there is so much holier than thou finger wagging that can make it impossible for the sexually active teen to make an appropriate decision. I get that the "appropriate" decision for the teen is not to have sex, but I do appreciate that the ones that know they will continue to be sexually active take responsibility and use birth control.

I have no clue what the right thing to do is....

I will say one thing positive.....this is the first discussion board I have been on that there is not a contingent that insists the MAP is RU-486. THAT is progress!!!!


If I had a sexually active teen daughter that felt her BC failed or she forgot to use it - I would hope she would talk to me (or a pharmacist or doctor) and help her with factual information and options. I would support her decision.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

digsbe said:
The FDA does not regulate based on morality, they regulate based on what they think is best for public health. If anything I think the side with the most morals invested is likely the one that supports 100% OTC status for Plan B.

There is no way in hell that Plan B should be OTC while hormonal birth control is not, that doesn't make regulatory sense. I also think it's dangerous and that this is one of the drugs that should be sold OTC under safe use conditions to adults and to children with parental consent.
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Unfotunately hormonal birth control pills usually have estrogen in them which is known to cause side effects such as blood clots and strokes.

Plan B only has progesterone which is safe when used as directed.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

Well, now insured people may be shelling out more money.

Like Prilosec, since it's over-the-counter... insurance will no longer cover it.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

Lord of Planar said:
Well, now insured people may be shelling out more money.

Like Prilosec, since it's over-the-counter... insurance will no longer cover it.
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Shhhh, don't spoil the surprise. And since the government took away the allowance to use HSA for over the counter medications, someone is probably going to be making more money.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

lizzie said:
I'm not worried about the slutitude, as that is already a fact. I just don't think that making a sex hormone OTC is a good idea, especially when young girls can buy it.
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Not just young girls, but anyone. Even Navy Seals.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

AGENT J said:
Im glad this nonsense is over, if it met the requirements of other drugs not restricted there was ZERO reason to restrict this one.
The FDA assess danger and effectiveness etc. not morals.
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Which is why, in addition to the department's lack of Constitutionality, it should be disbanded.

The ONLY time and place this product should be available is under the direct administration of a medical professional in a medical facility and only AFTER the woman has complied with all requirements of the police department regarding the rape charges she is filing against her assailant. It should not be available for ANYONE who has engaged in CONSENTUAL sexual activities.
 
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Actually there are plenty of reasons to restrict the drug. Do you think 11 year olds and 12 year olds should be making decisions about sex? No.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) ok this has no impact on anything i said
2.) see answer 1
3.) Obama is actually against it
4.) again meaningless to the topic at hand FDA/plan B
5.0 he is a dirt bag for being against it but giving up the fight because it wasnt winnable? hmmm ok you are free to have that opinion but he isnt the topic.
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Sorry, you came in here with a thinly veiled attempt at objectivity, asking for opinions and at the same time advocating plan B for girls of all ages.

He's " giving up the fight" for one reason, because its politically expedient. Some lackey informed him he has more to gain if he just " evolves" on the subject.

He's wrong and so are you. The Morning after pill removes the stigma that SHOULD EXIST for people who are shallow morally but at least the thought of maybe getting pregnant kept them from being complete dumb asses.

Remove the consequences in our ever morally devolving society. Hell, everyone needs a STD before the age of 17, it's a right of passage now.

You people are unbelieveable.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

year2late said:
If I had a sexually active teen daughter that felt her BC failed or she forgot to use it - I would hope she would talk to me (or a pharmacist or doctor) and help her with factual information and options. I would support her decision.
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That is a much different scenario than making a hormone tablet OTC, and giving young girls the ability to buy it whenever they want. Teenage girls are already stupid enough, and this is putting the responsibility of a serious decision, based on serious actions, into their already emotion-filled minds.
 
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lizzie said:
And a gazillion young girls who are going to think that sex is no big deal.
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lol look around they already do, now do you want to support them with your tax money or would you rather give them the resource's to practice safe sexy and how to prevent pregnancy if needed?
 
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Tigger said:
Which is why, in addition to the department's lack of Constitutionality, it should be disbanded.

The ONLY time and place this product should be available is under the direct administration of a medical professional in a medical facility and only AFTER the woman has complied with all requirements of the police department regarding the rape charges she is filing against her assailant. It should not be available for ANYONE who has engaged in CONSENTUAL sexual activities.
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FDA disagrees with you, they dont care about your morals or mine, they gauge drug safety effectiveness.
 
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Higgins86 said:
lol look around they already do, now do you want to support them with your tax money or would you rather give them the resource's to practice safe sexy and how to prevent pregnancy if needed?
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NEITHER. I'd rather force them to accept and deal with the unpleasant consequences of their actions on their own and through their families, friends, and other personal associates, not via the Government.
 
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AGENT J said:
FDA disagrees with you, they dont care about your morals or mine, they gauge drug safety effectiveness.
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True. They still have no Constitutional mandate for their work and are one of the most obvious and glaring examples of why this country is falling apart - technological "advancement" being seen as more important than morality and values.
 
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AGENT J said:
FDA disagrees with you, they dont care about your morals or mine, they gauge drug safety effectiveness.
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Correct. And as we clearly see, Obama doesn't care about your morals or mine either.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

Tigger said:
NEITHER. I'd rather force them to accept and deal with the unpleasant consequences of their actions on their own and through their families, friends, and other personal associates, not via the Government.
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well that's not how it works and unfortunately everyone else picks up the bill.
 
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Fenton said:
Sorry, you came in here with a thinly veiled attempt at objectivity, asking for opinions and at the same time advocating plan B for girls of all ages.

2.)He's " giving up the fight" for one reason, because its politically expedient. Some lackey informed him he has more to gain if he just " evolves" on the subject.

3.)He's wrong and so are you.

4.)The Morning after pill removes the stigma that SHOULD EXIST for people who are shallow morally but at least the thought of maybe getting pregnant kept them from being complete dumb asses.

5.)Remove the consequences in our ever morally devolving society. Hell, everyone needs a STD before the age of 17, it's a right of passage now.

6.)You people are unbelieveable.
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1.) its 100% objective and now i dont advocate that. I advocate the FDA doing their job and not making moral judgements but scientific and medical ones. Sorry you misunderstood.

2.) you are welcome to this opinion, many seem he gave up the fight cause it couldnt be won. Everybody has opinions

3.) again this is just your opinion supported by zero facts, not to mention me and the president do NOT agree so which is it?

4.) weird, so you think this BC will magically make all morals disappear and make everybody sluts and pimps. None of the other BCs do just this one. Yeah, that makes sense. AGain the FDA doesnt care about your morals or mine, they are meaningless, their job is the safety and effectiveness of the drug, they have no business pushing morals.

5.) more hyperbolic nonsense

6.) yes you are if you think the FDA should force your morals on others
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

Higgins86 said:
lol look around they already do, now do you want to support them with your tax money or would you rather give them the resource's to practice safe sexy and how to prevent pregnancy if needed?
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They already have resources to prevent pregnancy and practice safe sex.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

lizzie said:
They already have resources to prevent pregnancy and practice safe sex.
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can be as safe as you like but condoms still split, the pill isn't 100% etc.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

Tigger said:
Which is why, in addition to the department's lack of Constitutionality, it should be disbanded.

The ONLY time and place this product should be available is under the direct administration of a medical professional in a medical facility and only AFTER the woman has complied with all requirements of the police department regarding the rape charges she is filing against her assailant. It should not be available for ANYONE who has engaged in CONSENTUAL sexual activities.
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Why Plan B only for rape?

DO you consider the morning after pill a type of abortion?
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Correct. And as we clearly see, Obama doesn't care about your morals or mine either.
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we have no clue what he cares about but it most certainly is not his job to legislate his morals and in this case it goes against his morals too so im not sure of your point.

are you saying you want the FDA or Obama to enforce their morals, or yours, or mine?
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

Tigger said:
True. They still have no Constitutional mandate for their work and are one of the most obvious and glaring examples of why this country is falling apart - technological "advancement" being seen as more important than morality and values.
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so whats your solution, do you want the FDA to enforce their morals on the country, or mine or yours?

you dont think its important to have the FDA test food and drugs?
 
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