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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    1.)If my assumption is wrong, then where is it that you believe the FDA derives its mandate from?



    2.)It most definitely does matter, unless you are of the opinion that the US Constitution is no longer relevant. In fact it is the entire basis for my viewpoint on this topic.



    I don't want them regulated because the only entity capable of doing it (the US Government) does not have a legitimate mandate to be involved in that sort of business.
    1.) you assumption is wrong because you said "ou seem to believe that it is the role and place of the Government to protect you from unpleasant drug and food issues."

    this is not true at all

    i do think the government (doesnt have to be the FDA) just governemtn should regulate and monitor food and drugs make sure they are safe, regulate their production etc

    this is more then protecting people form unpleasantness, try to understand unregulated drugs and food could wipe out the country

    but its also NOT thier only role they have many

    2.) nope it doesnt matter to me at all sorry, and yes i view the constitution relevant

    3.) your opinions for your reason doesnt matter to me, what you want is absurd and dangerous.

    ill stick with logic and saftey
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) you assumption is wrong because you said "ou seem to believe that it is the role and place of the Government to protect you from unpleasant drug and food issues."

    this is not true at all. i do think the government (doesnt have to be the FDA) just governemtn should regulate and monitor food and drugs make sure they are safe, regulate their production etc... this is more then protecting people form unpleasantness, try to understand unregulated drugs and food could wipe out the country

    but its also NOT thier only role they have many
    Yes, the US Government has many roles. They are clearly spelled out in the Constitution. The regulation of medications and food are NOT among them. Regardless of whether it's the FDA, the Agriculture Department, or any other group.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    2.) nope it doesnt matter to me at all sorry, and yes i view the constitution relevant
    You view the Constitution as relevant yet the fact that there is no mandate for this sort of activity by the Government isn't something that concerns you? Are you picking and choosing the parts of the document you like or am I missing something?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    3.) your opinions for your reason doesnt matter to me, what you want is absurd and dangerous. ill stick with logic and safety
    That's fine. Your opinion doesn't matter to me either. What I want is only dangerous to those people who are either not competent or unwilling to actually pay attention to their own safety and well being. I see no need to pamper those individuals. We'd be a lot better off without them.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    1.)Yes, the US Government has many roles. They are clearly spelled out in the Constitution. The regulation of medications and food are NOT among them. Regardless of whether it's the FDA, the Agriculture Department, or any other group.



    2.)You view the Constitution as relevant yet the fact that there is no mandate for this sort of activity by the Government isn't something that concerns you? Are you picking and choosing the parts of the document you like or am I missing something?


    3.)That's fine. Your opinion doesn't matter to me either. What I want is only dangerous to those people who are either not competent or unwilling to actually pay attention to their own safety and well being. I see no need to pamper those individuals. We'd be a lot better off without them.
    1.) again id rather have them there than not
    2.) nope not picking and choosing the parts of the Constitution im picking not endanger my fellow Americans
    3.) its not an opinion, its a fact. You dont not want food and drugs regulated

    yeah everybody should be 100% educated and able to understand where all food and drugs come from and how safe they are or arnet and know where they were made and if good practices were followed. Yep thats rational and logical.
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    hence child proof caps.

    will plan b have those?
    What the heck are you talking about?

    Child proof caps do not make drugs that are advertised as having excellent safety profiles being deadly to people with specific medical conditions.

    By the way....child proof caps are only childproof for the little kids. Are you saying that there are 4 year olds that are endanger of getting into sisters dose of Plan B that she most likely would have taken within hours of buying it???

    Child proof caps. That is funny.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's still a medical treatment and parents still must consent when medications are given to their children and can deny the use of medications if they do not want them used (unless of course courts step in in specific cases).

    Not all surgical procedures are equal in risk, the same applies to drugs.
    That's simply untrue. Teens can buy any over the counter meds without their parent's permission. Surgery is of course a different case because of greater risk.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    That's simply untrue. Teens can buy any over the counter meds without their parent's permission. Surgery is of course a different case because of greater risk.
    Over the counter, but not prescription. A parent can overrule and gain access to their kids medical info, they can't do so with an OTC item bought at the store as would be the case with Plan B.

    Surgery may be of the greatest risk, but medications are still a risk and Plan B is a medication that parent's should have a right to know and consent to if their child wants to take it. A parent should consent or at least have the right to know if their child is taking synthetic hormones. I see no rational reason why a parent or legal guardian, who is in charge of the child's care, shouldn't be the one consenting and knowing if their kid has taken Plan B.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I believe that parental consent should be required for any prescription drug, just as it is for procedures. A child isn't always capable of making a sound and intelligent decision. This is a hormonal treatment that we are discussing. Birth control pills are not OTC. This one should not be either.
    But this isn't a prescription drug. It's been available safely over the counter for people over 17 for years. Politics was the only barrier to keeping it from younger girls, as there is no evidence it poses a greater physiological risk to someone younger than 17. If you have evidence that plan B poses a greater risk than other over the counter meds (say tylenol or ibuprofen) that the FDA is somehow unaware of, please share.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Over the counter, but not prescription. A parent can overrule and gain access to their kids medical info, they can't do so with an OTC item bought at the store as would be the case with Plan B.
    Yeah, and plan B is an over the counter med. The rest of this didn't make sense to me.

    [/QUOTE]Surgery may be of the greatest risk, but medications are still a risk and Plan B is a medication that parent's should have a right to know and consent to if their child wants to take it. A parent should consent or at least have the right to know if their child is taking synthetic hormones. I see no rational reason why a parent or legal guardian, who is in charge of the child's care, shouldn't be the one consenting and knowing if their kid has taken Plan B.[/QUOTE]

    So you feel this shouldn't be over the counter for political and not safety reasons. Do you think you should be notified if your kids buy condoms too?

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    What the heck are you talking about?
    I'm talking about how we do take steps to attempt to keep even safe things like aspirin out of the hands of kids.

    you know, the subject of the thread.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I'm talking about how we do take steps to attempt to keep even safe things like aspirin out of the hands of kids.

    you know, the subject of the thread.
    You do realize that child proof caps are really only effective for very young children. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. If you have a girl of childbearing age that is incapable of opening a childproof container, her being sexually active is only one of your major concerns.

    So your comment at best is apples and oranges.

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