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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Progesterone is safe. So is Plan B. The only "medical incompetence" being demonstrated here is by those who insist that Plan B is dangerous.
    The progesterone prescription products that have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are safe for most people when used with the advice and care of a healthcare professional. However, progesterone can cause many side effects including stomach upset, changes in appetite, weight gain, fluid retention and swelling (edema), fatigue, acne, drowsiness or insomnia, allergic skin rashes, hives, fever, headache, depression, breast discomfort or enlargement, PMS-like syndrome, altered menstrual cycles, irregular bleeding, and other side effects.

    Special Precautions & Warnings:
    Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Intravaginal progesterone gel is LIKELY SAFE when used as part of infertility treatment. But don’t use progesterone otherwise. It’s also best not to use progesterone if you are breast-feeding. Not enough is known about how it might affect a nursing infant.

    Arterial disease: Don’t use progesterone if you have arterial disease.

    Breast cancer: Avoid use unless you are directed to do so by your healthcare provider.

    Depression: Get your healthcare provider’s advice first before using progesterone if you have major depression now or a history of major depression.

    Liver disease: Progesterone might make liver disease worse. Don’t use it.

    Vaginal bleeding: If you have undiagnosed vaginal bleeding, don’t use progesterone.
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    1. Good, bad, indifferent - it's immaterial. It's an unConstitutional department, just like almost all of the others in the Federal Government and should not exist.
    2. See #1.
    3. I'm not 100% positive, but I'm fairly certain that the FDA sets the policy. I don't think they're the enforcement arm, but they DO set the policy.



    4. They would have no more or less credentials or legitimate power than the FDA does, at least in my mind.
    5. Yes, there would be a profit. Just like Consumer Reports or any other group of that type.
    6. Some of us see science as being a secondary concern to morals and values.
    7. For the same reason people read Popular Mechanics, Car and Driver, Consumer Reports, etc....
    8. If there is malfeasance then they are gone after under the standard business regulations. Again - CAVEAT EMPTOR.
    1.) again you are free to that opinion i disagree and want them around
    2.) see 1
    3.) dont know but they need that power or access to that power regardless
    4.) oh so a company of scientist and medical professionals?
    5.) hell no i dont want them having profit thats an instant way to lead to corruption and where would this profit come from? how?
    6.) that has nothgin to do with my statment. want a quick example? what if the morals they are using arent yours? then what? no thanks
    7.) so you want a group that is in charge of preventing disaster, disease out break, mass poisoning etc to be based on the entertainment vallue of motor trend?
    8.) so basically after a bunch of people die people can try to sue but they wont have anything hard core to sue by because theres no FDA now. They would just have to use the opinion of a company like motor trend?

    yeah again no thanks, that type of system would be inane and dangerous
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Who were they playing and did they cover the spread?
    it was a forfeit because all the odds were against the other side
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The progesterone prescription products that have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are safe for most people when used with the advice and care of a healthcare professional. However, progesterone can cause many side effects including stomach upset, changes in appetite, weight gain, fluid retention and swelling (edema), fatigue, acne, drowsiness or insomnia, allergic skin rashes, hives, fever, headache, depression, breast discomfort or enlargement, PMS-like syndrome, altered menstrual cycles, irregular bleeding, and other side effects.

    Special Precautions & Warnings:
    Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Intravaginal progesterone gel is LIKELY SAFE when used as part of infertility treatment. But don’t use progesterone otherwise. It’s also best not to use progesterone if you are breast-feeding. Not enough is known about how it might affect a nursing infant.

    Arterial disease: Don’t use progesterone if you have arterial disease.

    Breast cancer: Avoid use unless you are directed to do so by your healthcare provider.

    Depression: Get your healthcare provider’s advice first before using progesterone if you have major depression now or a history of major depression.

    Liver disease: Progesterone might make liver disease worse. Don’t use it.

    Vaginal bleeding: If you have undiagnosed vaginal bleeding, don’t use progesterone.
    Fatigue and acne!! Oh my!
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Fatigue and acne!! Oh my!
    Liver disease, vascular disease, depression, breast cancer, vaginal bleeding. Yes. Oh my.
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Liver disease, vascular disease, depression, breast cancer, vaginal bleeding. Yes. Oh my.
    Good thing progesterone doesn't cause any of those
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) again you are free to that opinion i disagree and want them around
    2.) see 1
    3.) dont know but they need that power or access to that power regardless
    4.) oh so a company of scientist and medical professionals?
    5.) hell no i dont want them having profit thats an instant way to lead to corruption and where would this profit come from? how?
    6.) that has nothgin to do with my statment. want a quick example? what if the morals they are using arent yours? then what? no thanks
    7.) so you want a group that is in charge of preventing disaster, disease out break, mass poisoning etc to be based on the entertainment vallue of motor trend?
    8.) so basically after a bunch of people die people can try to sue but they wont have anything hard core to sue by because theres no FDA now. They would just have to use the opinion of a company like motor trend?
    3. Again, I do not find any legitimate mandate for them to have that power or the ability to exercise it through any other department either.
    4. A company of scientists, medical professionals, and whomever else they feel are necessary to provide the information their customers want.
    5. The profits come from selling the information they come up with; whether it be online, in print, etc....
    6. Then I don't buy their product. Nothing more.
    7. I don't believe they have any mandate to PREVENT anything. They don't even have a legitimate mandate to INFORM, which is all I'm suggesting this company would/should be able to do.
    8. You would also have the full weight of business law, and in civil cases the reduced burden of proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yeah again no thanks, that type of system would be inane and dangerous
    We obviously have different visions of what the Government (or a private company) can and should be doing.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    3. Again, I do not find any legitimate mandate for them to have that power or the ability to exercise it through any other department either.
    4. A company of scientists, medical professionals, and whomever else they feel are necessary to provide the information their customers want.
    5. The profits come from selling the information they come up with; whether it be online, in print, etc....
    6. Then I don't buy their product. Nothing more.
    7. I don't believe they have any mandate to PREVENT anything. They don't even have a legitimate mandate to INFORM, which is all I'm suggesting this company would/should be able to do.
    8. You would also have the full weight of business law, and in civil cases the reduced burden of proof.



    We obviously have different visions of what the Government (or a private company) can and should be doing.
    3.) yes you stated that before
    4.) thats better than what you previously said
    5.) selling it to who? the fooddrug companies or competitors of the food companies they are rating? thats a HUGE NO THANK YOU
    i can even fathom how you think that would be logical or effective
    6.) so you you just proved what a worthless company they would be, thanks
    7.) so again they are worthless and our drugs and food are unprotected, again no thanks
    8.) yes after people are dead or harmed, no thanks

    9.0 yes we do, you want our drugs and food unprotected and unregulated which is inane and extremely dangerous, i do not
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The progesterone prescription products that have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are safe for most people when used with the advice and care of a healthcare professional. However, progesterone can cause many side effects including stomach upset, changes in appetite, weight gain, fluid retention and swelling (edema), fatigue, acne, drowsiness or insomnia, allergic skin rashes, hives, fever, headache, depression, breast discomfort or enlargement, PMS-like syndrome, altered menstrual cycles, irregular bleeding, and other side effects.

    Special Precautions & Warnings:
    Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Intravaginal progesterone gel is LIKELY SAFE when used as part of infertility treatment. But don’t use progesterone otherwise. It’s also best not to use progesterone if you are breast-feeding. Not enough is known about how it might affect a nursing infant.

    Arterial disease: Don’t use progesterone if you have arterial disease.

    Breast cancer: Avoid use unless you are directed to do so by your healthcare provider.

    Depression: Get your healthcare provider’s advice first before using progesterone if you have major depression now or a history of major depression.

    Liver disease: Progesterone might make liver disease worse. Don’t use it.

    Vaginal bleeding: If you have undiagnosed vaginal bleeding, don’t use progesterone.
    If you are going to go after Plan B for side effects and disease specific warnings you are going to make most OTC meds to be prescriotion only.

    hell...aspirin and Tylenol for starters.

    The issue is with disease specific recommendations is that when you are told you have the disease, you are usually told to be very careful about certain drugs -many have excellent safety profiles for most people.

    If we are talking safety profiles, we need to consider that this drug will only be used on an intermittent (if not rare) basis. When we are speaking to minors, what diseases may they have that the intermittent use of MAP will cause them irreparable harm.

    But like I said, if you are going to point out that this product will have bad effects to people with certain disease processes - then take Tylenol, aspirin, aleve, motrin, some vitamins, minerals, herbals , cold medicine, etc to prescription only.


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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    If you are going to go after Plan B for side effects and disease specific warnings you are going to make most OTC meds to be prescriotion only.

    hell...aspirin and Tylenol for starters.
    hence child proof caps.

    will plan b have those?

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