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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Birth control IS the subject, and it is now going to be legal for young girls to buy birth control OTC. That is perfectly on topic.
    Yeah.....and I asked why you're comparing birth control to surgical procedures in terms of parental consent. Do you really think they pose the same risk?

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Yeah.....and I asked why you're comparing birth control to surgical procedures in terms of parental consent. Do you really think they pose the same risk?
    It's still a medical treatment and parents still must consent when medications are given to their children and can deny the use of medications if they do not want them used (unless of course courts step in in specific cases).

    Not all surgical procedures are equal in risk, the same applies to drugs.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Yeah.....and I asked why you're comparing birth control to surgical procedures in terms of parental consent. Do you really think they pose the same risk?
    I believe that parental consent should be required for any prescription drug, just as it is for procedures. A child isn't always capable of making a sound and intelligent decision. This is a hormonal treatment that we are discussing. Birth control pills are not OTC. This one should not be either.
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    I think the most rational solution and the safest solution for public health is to make plan be essentially an OTC item that must be dispensed in pharmacies under conditions of safe use as dictated by a pharmacist (which is similar to how things were).

    Plan B is not something that should be used routinely, it does cause more side effects than most OTC products and there are some risks with it (changes in menstruation, post-use fertility, and increased bleeding are concerns). It should not be taken by men nor by younger girls. I think it's a public health mistake to put plan B 100% OTC for anyone to buy and use how they see fit without any guidance by a practitioner. From a legal standpoint it doesn't make sense to make Plan B an OTC drug while hormonal contraception is still prescription only. In many cases routine birth control shows less adverse effects and side effects than Plan B and is safer. I think this speaks to how screwed up the prescription system in the US is, but that's for another thread. I think that a parent should have the right to know if their child has been given Plan B and should consent to that. It is a hormone and it is used to prevent pregnancy, the parent has a right to know as a parent and it's within the role of a parent to make the decision for their child (who is a minor) if the child should receive Plan B or not, that is not a decision that I think a minor should be able to make on their own without any guidance. I also see potential dangers with men buying this drug and using it themselves for whatever reason or them forcing a woman to take it after unprotected sex. I also see potential problems with rapists forcing their victims to take the drug to prevent pregnancy which further violates the woman and may put her at more harm.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    . I think it's a public health mistake to put plan B 100% OTC for anyone to buy and use how they see fit without any guidance by a practitioner. From a legal standpoint it doesn't make sense to make Plan B an OTC drug while hormonal contraception is still prescription only.
    Exactly. People are acting as if this is some harmless little aspirin. Sex hormones (just as with other hormones) are not something that should be taken without serious consideration. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go grab a Levothyroxin off the shelf, if I thought my thyroid was underactive.
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Exactly. People are acting as if this is some harmless little aspirin. Sex hormones (just as with other hormones) are not something that should be taken without serious consideration. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go grab a Levothyroxin off the shelf, if I thought my thyroid was underactive.
    I agree, I think this is one of the medications in the best interest of public health that should not be completely OTC. Part of keeping medications prescription only is ensuring that their access and use is limited and followed properly. As an OTC product there is nothing stopping anyone from using it every day or from young kids using it. I've had several patients ask very disturbing questions regarding it (like thinking it can properly regulate their period, reduce bleeding, enhances breasts, etc.) and I've even heard of a case where a woman asked if she could get it and take it prior to willingly engaging in unprotected sex on a weekend orgy event... This isn't something that should be on the shelf with the Tylenol and aspirin. As far as public health goes this is a mistake.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No idea, but it's a synthetic hormone/combo (depending on the specific preparation), so I'm guessing it's not cheap.
    Plan B One Step Emergency Contraceptive Must be 17 or over to purchase without a prescription | drugstore.com

    47.99 at drugstore.com

    Plan B One Step Emergency Contraceptive Must be 17 or over to purchase without a prescription | drugstore.com

    Not chump change for the young girls. For those who think this will cause limitless slutitude by girls because they have access are just not in touch with reality.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Plan B One Step Emergency Contraceptive Must be 17 or over to purchase without a prescription | drugstore.com

    47.99 at drugstore.com

    Plan B One Step Emergency Contraceptive Must be 17 or over to purchase without a prescription | drugstore.com

    Not chump change for the young girls. For those who think this will cause limitless slutitude by girls because they have access are just not in touch with reality.
    I'm not worried about the slutitude, as that is already a fact. I just don't think that making a sex hormone OTC is a good idea, especially when young girls can buy it.
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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Yes, let's send the traumatized rape victim out on her own to go to Walgreens and either delay her medical treatment or delay a very time-sensitive birth control method. Suck it up girl, some guy's political beliefs are at stake here!
    Yup, life goes on. If you don't already own some Plan-B, go buy some, you have no excuse now. I'm sure someone a victim knows can go buy some for her if need be.

    Being a victim doesn't mean your helpless and you don't get a pass on life. Expect to be billed for the medical treatment and lawyer services if you hire one.

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    Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm not worried about the slutitude, as that is already a fact. I just don't think that making a sex hormone OTC is a good idea, especially when young girls can buy it.
    I agree that taking a hormone is a great idea, nor do I think that a 15 year old carrying a baby to term or having an abortion is a good idea.


    My difficulty is that there is so much holier than thou finger wagging that can make it impossible for the sexually active teen to make an appropriate decision. I get that the "appropriate" decision for the teen is not to have sex, but I do appreciate that the ones that know they will continue to be sexually active take responsibility and use birth control.

    I have no clue what the right thing to do is....

    I will say one thing positive.....this is the first discussion board I have been on that there is not a contingent that insists the MAP is RU-486. THAT is progress!!!!


    If I had a sexually active teen daughter that felt her BC failed or she forgot to use it - I would hope she would talk to me (or a pharmacist or doctor) and help her with factual information and options. I would support her decision.

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