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    Re: Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Hey MMC

    Sorry, but this doesn't really impress me much due to few reasons;
    a. The Russians as the Americans constantly promise to build stations, send people to Mars/Moon, so on and so on... However, a lot of these promises end up with nothing substantial.
    b. No new technologies or developments are involved in building such "station" - this new module simply looks like an elongated Soyuz module.

    Moreover, it is hard to find factual information online regarding this but here is only a taste of the actual situation with the Russian space program;
    2010:
    # "Proton-M" launch failure - December 2010

    2011:
    # "Rokot" failure to reach orbit - 01.02.2011
    # "Proton-M" failure to reach orbit - 18.08.2011
    # Soyuz Rocket launch failure - 24.08.2011
    # "Zenith 2SB" failure to reach orbit - 09.11.2011
    # Soyuz Rocket launch failure - 23.12.2011

    2012:
    # "Proton-M" launch failure - 06.08.2012
    # "Proton-M" orbit reaching failure - 08.08.2012

    2013:
    # "Zenith 3SL" launch failure - February 2013

    And this doesn't take in account various military rockets/satellites launch failures (though "Rokot" is one of them), and the uncovered corruption and theft in the Russian Space program.

    The Russian space program is unfortunately has a lot of problems and no one knows how or when it's going to recover (if at all).

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    It may not impress you.....but it is far more impressive than what we have come with up yet. Other than an Idea. Moreover the US has many failures too. Yet like us the Soviets are constantly launching Satellites into Space. Any reason why we don't get word of all those launches? Or why we don't find out until after the fact?

    The Russians are launching 4 Sats this year.

    Russia Set to Launch 4 GLONASS Satellites This Year.....

    PLESETSK, June 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russia plans to launch for more satellites for the GLONASS navigation system by the end of this year, the Aerospace Defense Forces head said on Saturday.

    “Three GLONASS satellites are scheduled to be launched on board of a Proton carrier rocket in July from the Baikonur space center and another one is planned to be launched in December from the Plesetsk space center,” Maj. Gen. Alexander Golovko said.

    The most recent launch of the GLONASS satellite took place on April 26, when a Soyuz 2-1b rocket blasted off from the Plesetsk space center to orbit a GLONASS-M satellite.

    The Global Navigation Satellite System (Glonass), which was officially launched in 1993, is Russia’s answer to the US Global Positioning System (GPS). It provides data for real-time positioning and speed of surface, sea and air objects to within an accuracy of one meter.

    The 24 satellites comprising the system had been put into orbit by 2010, though only after several costly malfunctions and launch failures by carrier rockets. The program has cost 140 billion rubles ($4.4 billion) to implement to date, and its budget for 2012-2020 stands at a further 326 billion rubles ($10 billion).....snip~

    Russia Set to Launch 4 GLONASS Satellites This Year | Science | RIA Novosti




    GLONASS, Russia

    Note the failures were counted. But they still implemented their offset to US GPS. Despite all that adversity.

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    Re: Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Russia, and even US have quite few years before China would be able to catch on.
    However, space always represented the ultimate frontier for humanity and only further manned (and unmanned) space exploration missions can produce ultimate role models and generate grand goals. Without these goals and heroes, US/Russia is in risk of becoming a nation of worms coasting on past glories to a very grim future.

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    I agree. China very likely won't become an "equal" with the U.S. or Russia in the near-term or medium-term, even as I expect that the gap will narrow.

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    Re: Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It may not impress you.....but it is far more impressive than what we have come with up yet. Other than an Idea. Moreover the US has many failures too. Yet like us the Soviets are constantly launching Satellites into Space. Any reason why we don't get word of all those launches? Or why we don't find out until after the fact?

    The Russians are launching 4 Sats this year.

    Russia Set to Launch 4 GLONASS Satellites This Year.....

    PLESETSK, June 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russia plans to launch for more satellites for the GLONASS navigation system by the end of this year, the Aerospace Defense Forces head said on Saturday.

    “Three GLONASS satellites are scheduled to be launched on board of a Proton carrier rocket in July from the Baikonur space center and another one is planned to be launched in December from the Plesetsk space center,” Maj. Gen. Alexander Golovko said.

    The most recent launch of the GLONASS satellite took place on April 26, when a Soyuz 2-1b rocket blasted off from the Plesetsk space center to orbit a GLONASS-M satellite.

    The Global Navigation Satellite System (Glonass), which was officially launched in 1993, is Russia’s answer to the US Global Positioning System (GPS). It provides data for real-time positioning and speed of surface, sea and air objects to within an accuracy of one meter.

    The 24 satellites comprising the system had been put into orbit by 2010, though only after several costly malfunctions and launch failures by carrier rockets. The program has cost 140 billion rubles ($4.4 billion) to implement to date, and its budget for 2012-2020 stands at a further 326 billion rubles ($10 billion).....snip~

    Russia Set to Launch 4 GLONASS Satellites This Year | Science | RIA Novosti




    GLONASS, Russia

    Note the failures were counted. But they still implemented their offset to US GPS. Despite all that adversity.
    I'm well aware of the "GLONASS" system, it is an old Soviet development that is being continued by the Russian Military and space agency till these days - it doesn't represent anything new, so is that "space hotel".
    We are talking about an actual contemporary space program and developments by the Russian space agency - and there are very few of those and they are very inefficient cost to value wise.

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    Re: Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya DS. Do you think the US letting Private industry taking the lead in Space is the Right thing to do, in order to push us further forward with matters in Space?

    My only concern is that we are giving both the Russians and the Chinese first dibbs in the possibilities of coming across ET's or other life looking to encounter our planet.
    I like and support the idea of the private sector's involvement. However, the interests of the private sector and those of the public sector are not necessarily identical when it comes to space. The private sector's focus will very likely be on building/improving the capabilities necessary to be profitable e.g., to build a viable space tourism industry, etc. That focus does not assure that broader investment/financing of basic research will take place. Yet, it is basic research, sometimes with very long time horizons, that can be pivotal to advancing scientific understanding which, in turn, can lead to commercial and military innovations that might not otherwise have been possible.

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    Re: Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Chinese are re-inacting the postwar history of the US in every way possible in a totalitarian state.. They studied it and found that it was the most successful method of making the population happy in world history. The Govt. believes that will keep them in power the longest. They are also now building a system of superhighways to serve the millions of cars that they envison will give the people mobility.
    Yeah, it's almost like China is putting on the spectacle of Americana, as seen through the eyes of a one-party system faced with a restive population that could at any moment explode. Surreal.

    But a modern, technologically advanced China is generally good for the world. An educated population of over 1 billion people who have access to modern science, engineering, architecture, art will produce God knows what progress for themselves and the rest of the world.

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    Re: Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert

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    Unfortunately, Neil's calls for relaunching and reformation the space program, NASA and US's goals in space related science are a bit too little and too late.

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    Re: Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert

    Just think, if the Tea Party and the lunatic austerity-fetish GOP had their way, the US would never have had a space program and never have gone to the moon.

    The real impediment to America's future, the next "moonshot" -- whether in developing new energy or nanotechnology or genetic research -- is conservatism and its hatred of our democratic government.

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    Re: Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From CNN:

    A Chinese spaceship blasted off Tuesday from a launch center in the Gobi Desert, carrying three astronauts on what is expected to be the Asian giant's longest crewed mission yet…

    The U.S. closed its space shuttle program in 2011 and is no longer aggressively pursuing manned space exploration, leaving Russia and China as the only two countries in the world capable of independently sending humans into space.


    Chinese spaceship blasts off from Gobi Desert - CNN.com

    The contrast between China’s and the United States’ perspective on space is striking. It is almost an illustration of how rising powers seek to expand their opportunities, while status quo powers seek to harvest the fruits of their past legacy, sometimes putting them on a path of long retreat. Both paths are not compatible in the long-run.

    Ultimately, the nation that seeks to expand its frontiers gains valuable experience and insights. That experience and insights increase the prospects of their achieving qualitative, even potentially disruptive, breakthroughs. Whether such breakthroughs could have commercial and/or military applications remains to be seen, but space is an area rich with both kinds of possibilities.
    Totally misinformed opinion, because the premise on which it's based is completely false.

    The term "nation" no longer refers to a single, unified entity whose people share a value system. In the modern world, a nation is nothing more than a political division bounded by territory, and represents one of many properties ultimately owned and controlled by wealthy individuals for the purpose of advancing their objectives.

    This is not the 1960s. There is no us and them, anymore.

    There is only the wealthy and the irrelevant common-folk still deluded enough to think that their government in any way, shape, or form, reflects their values or even bothers to try. Then again, maintaining the illusion of unity is an effective form of propoganda, i. e. it's good for people to think "we spy on ourselves."

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