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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    the dumpster's deep

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    Sixty-two percent of voters say the government secretly collecting the phone records of millions of Americans is an “unacceptable and alarming invasion of privacy rights.”

    That’s nearly twice as many as think it’s an “acceptable government action to help prevent terrorism” (32 percent).

    Republicans (by 74-18 percent) and independents (by 67-26 percent) think the NSA surveillance of Americans is unacceptable. Democrats split: 48 percent say it’s acceptable, while 46 percent say unacceptable.

    Views are similar on the U.S. Department of Justice monitoring certain reporters as part of its leak investigation. By a 34 percentage-point margin, more voters think the government’s seizure of journalists’ records was mainly done for political reasons (63 percent) as opposed to national security reasons (29 percent).

    In general, when asked how much “trust and confidence” they have in the federal government, 37 percent of voters say they have a great deal (5 percent) or a fair amount (32 percent). Sixty-three percent say they have not much confidence (41 percent) or none at all (22 percent).

    Meanwhile, the portion of voters saying the federal government is too big is growing: 64 percent feel that way, up from 56 percent in 2009. That’s more than double the number who feel government is the right size (29 percent).

    The poll finds 35 percent think the Obama administration has been less open and transparent than previous administrations. That’s up 10 points since last year when 25 percent felt that way (June 2012). The change comes mainly from an increase in the number of Republicans (+16 points) and independents (+14 points) saying the White House is less transparent.

    At the same time the number of voters believing the administration is more open and transparent has dropped to 24 percent down from 32 percent a year ago. This shift comes more from an across-the-board decline, as fewer independents (-14 points), Democrats (-8 points) and Republicans (-6 points) say this White House is more open than others.
    Fox News poll: Voters oppose NSA program, most lack trust in government | Fox News

    even fox can't be off by 34
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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the dumpster's deep

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    Fox News poll: Voters oppose NSA program, most lack trust in government | Fox News

    even fox can't be off by 34
    Good afternoon, Prof.

    Very interesting poll numbers!

    I guess transparency just isn't what it used to be!

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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Please allow me to clarify, j-mac__You apparently have misunderstood where my sarcasm is coming from_

    I am definitely not "laughing off the corruption of the IG system"_

    I'm laughing at how such obvious IG corruption is being referred to as "possible corruption" by the MSM_

    Unless I'm mistaken, I think we're in agreement here~
    It was difficult to tell in your OP...

    As for what happened in the SD... not surprising. She's a Clinton after all... the SD is filled with like minded leftists.

    What we have learned again, is the Left defines the Culture of Corruption, and their propagandists do their best to let it slide.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    He hasn't lost ALL credibility, but the shine on his star is starting to fade some.
    Yeah, there are some doing the back-stroke in the Kool Ade pool who will still give him a high 5.

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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    so, you are telling us that the tea party is as guilty as gibson
    interesting perspective
    ... Under the agreement, Gibson will pay a $300,000 penalty, plus a $50,000 "community service payment" to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation to help promote conservation of protected trees. Additionally, Gibson agreed to set up a compliance program to ensure it does not use illegally harvested products, and to forfeit its right to about $260,000 worth of wood and ebony seized in the investigation.

    In return, the Obama administration will not charge Gibson criminally for violating the Lacey Act. That act amended the Endangered Species Act in 2008 to also provide for criminal penalties against the importation or use of illegally harvested plant materials ...
    [emphasis added by bubba]
    Gibson Guitar agrees to pay $300,000 penalty to settle Lacey Act violations - The Hill's Floor Action
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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, you are telling us that the tea party is as guilty as gibson
    interesting perspective
    Did you read the article???

    It seems you didn't even read the link you submitted!!

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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    Here is Thomas Sowell's take:

    "...we the voters are not blameless. Having chosen an untested man to be president, on the basis of rhetoric, style and symbolism, we have ourselves to blame if we now have only a choice between two potentially tragic fates -- the loss of American lives to terrorism or a further dismantling of our freedoms that has already led many people to ask: Is this still America?'" The Loss of Trust - Thomas Sowell - Page full

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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did you read the article???



    It seems you didn't even read the link you submitted!!
    guess i have to spell out for you the significance of the excerpt i emphasized:
    Gibson agreed to set up a compliance program to ensure it does not use illegally harvested products
    had gibson already been in compliance, it would NOT have to subsequently set up a compliance program
    the US action to compel gibson to comply with the Lacey Act provisions was obviously necessary, which then indicates the enforcement action was not driven by political partisanship

    but humor me. show us what factual basis you have to insist that gibson was not violating the Lacey Act and offer proof that enforcement actions were not due to violations of law but by partisanship
    give us something other than unsupported, backward opinion to defend your ignorant assertions
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    guess i have to spell out for you the significance of the excerpt i emphasized:
    had gibson already been in compliance, it would NOT have to subsequently set up a compliance program
    the US action to compel gibson to comply with the Lacey Act provisions was obviously necessary, which then indicates the enforcement action was not driven by political partisanship

    but humor me. show us what factual basis you have to insist that gibson was not violating the Lacey Act and offer proof that enforcement actions were not due to violations of law but by partisanship
    give us something other than unsupported, backward opinion to defend your ignorant assertions
    This was politically motivated by a corrupt Obama Administration using government agencies to punish supporters of its political enemies_

    Gibson Guitar agrees to pay $300,000 penalty to settle Lacey Act violations - The Hill's Floor Action
    But enforcement could only prompt House Republicans to press for legislation to scale back the requirements of the Lacey Act. In June, the House Natural Resources Committee approved the RELIEF Act, which would amend the law so that it does not apply to goods made in or imported to the United States before it took effect in 2008.

    The bill, H.R. 3210, was sponsored by Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.), who hails from the same state where Gibson's headquarters are located. It's also sponsored by three other Tennesseans, and 17 other House members.

    In July, House GOP leaders indicated they were prepared to move the bill, even setting an amendment deadline for it in anticipation of possible floor action.
    National Retail Federation Vice President Erik Autor said that while the settlement solves the specific issue with Gibson, it does not address the ongoing problems with the Lacey Act.

    "Retailers — by and large — support the environmental objectives of Lacey, however this settlement vindicates retailers' arguments that the Lacey Act is being misapplied to foreign laws and regulations that have no relation to its noble environmental objectives," he said. "Today's action underscores the need to address the underlying problems of the Lacey Act, and demonstrates the need for a legislative remedy."
    Gibson wisely agreed to settle out of court simply because it was cheaper than fighting a massive and corrupt government bureaucracy_
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