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Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

But that's almost beside the point to me. What would you prize higher: upholding the constitution or protecting Americans? Especially keeping in mind that the constitution was created to protect Americans...

False dilemma.
 
Oh wow you can spell Zeta-Byte, it means you have access to a online dictionary.

What else can you tell us about that technology ? Seems your so intelligent ( not too intelligent, your'e defending a corrupt administration ) , you should be able to expand on your abillity to use spell-check.

Defending a corrupt and criminal administration is not necessarily a function of intelligence. Rather, it is a function of principles and conscience. One can be quite intelligent and still defend criminality. It happens all the time, sad to say.
 
Like or not that is what you have now....Ask a police officer, they are not there to protect you from crime, but rather to find out who did what, and bring the law breaker to account for their actions...Now you can say that certain punishments are designed to be a deterrent, but that doesn't stop the hard core with malicious intent from carrying out the actions.

So you're saying you have the freedom to break laws? If you put it that way, we all have the freedom to do anything we want, so what's the issue?

Sure doesn't seem like anything done slowed Gates down any....A more apt description of any restraint that Microsoft experienced was the explosion of Apple products that took the public eye off of Microsoft.

It slowed down Microsoft quite a bit in the 1990s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corporation#Settlement

While that may be true, it doesn't mean that it can't be corrupted.

I never suggested otherwise.

Again, I am not saying that we don't...So I really don't know why you are arguing that with me.

You said that freedom versus security was a false dilemma, that it didn't have to be that way. I'm telling you that in general, that's exactly what happens. If you're no longer saying that's the case, then there

Well, I think that quote is a little out of context for this conversation, but, my answer is NO, I don't accept that lying to congress, under oath is acceptable in any manner, for any reason. It has already been pointed out that many other answers can be given without lying, but once we accept lying the door is open, and accountability is gone....Maybe that is fine for you, not me.

The accountability is there in closed sessions. Not in the open, for the whole world to see.

Yeah, I don't think things really have increased that much...At least according to President Obama, the WoT has been winding down, and is all but over, so why the increased collection of data on domestic targets, and with the wide net? Nah, this look authoritarian to me.

Increased from when? It's been like this since well before Obama.

And maybe it's not, which is why we must hold those testifying to congress accountable when they lie.

Not if it's in the open.
 
Oh wow you can spell Zeta-Byte, it means you have access to a online dictionary.

What else can you tell us about that technology ? Seems your so intelligent ( not too intelligent, your'e defending a corrupt administration ) , you should be able to expand on your abillity to use spell-check.

What technology? How do you even know that that's the size of the NSA facility? Why are you so focused on this one in particular?
 
snowdun goin to Iceland and hes going to tell all the stuff.
that's gud cause obammy is bad, grunt, grunt.
and god blus murica!
 
So you're saying you have the freedom to break laws? If you put it that way, we all have the freedom to do anything we want, so what's the issue?

No, I said nothing of the kind. I said that the police are not there to prevent crime, they are there to bring those that break the law, to justice after the fact. It is the deterrence of the sentencing that is there to prevent future, along with the social ties to values, and understanding of living in a civil society that is taught through religion in our lives that gives us the ability to check ourselves...

It slowed down Microsoft quite a bit in the 1990s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ion#Settlement

Are you saying that Apple's competition had nothing to do in slowing down Microsoft's seeming take of monopoly of the industry? I'd say that is naive to say the least.

I never suggested otherwise.

You didn't? So then you also are of the mind that this administration and its agencies are corrupted?

You said that freedom versus security was a false dilemma, that it didn't have to be that way. I'm telling you that in general, that's exactly what happens. If you're no longer saying that's the case, then there

We disagree.

The accountability is there in closed sessions. Not in the open, for the whole world to see.

:lamo That's priceless! An exact dichotomy in two concurring sentences....

Increased from when? It's been like this since well before Obama.

You know this for a fact? Ok, let's see your proof. Because as far as I know, along with those from the prior administration, are saying that there was NEVER a blanket collecting of everyone's call patterns in the country.

Not if it's in the open.

What are you talking about? Do you know? Just above you just tried to say that accountability is done behind closed doors, which I would argue that smoke filled rooms, with the back slappers, and progressive allies in congress is NOT accountability to the people in any manner, now you want me to believe that lying is ok as long as it is in open hearing? No sir. That's wrong, no matter how you slice it.
 
Speaking of Apple, even Steve Wozniak has now come out to thank Snowden for his courageous actions. :)
 
No, I said nothing of the kind. I said that the police are not there to prevent crime, they are there to bring those that break the law, to justice after the fact. It is the deterrence of the sentencing that is there to prevent future, along with the social ties to values, and understanding of living in a civil society that is taught through religion in our lives that gives us the ability to check ourselves...

So then freedom and security are on a spectrum.

Are you saying that Apple's competition had nothing to do in slowing down Microsoft's seeming take of monopoly of the industry? I'd say that is naive to say the least.

Did I say that? No. The point is freedom and security are on a spectrum.

You didn't? So then you also are of the mind that this administration and its agencies are corrupted?

I don't care/not the subject. The subject is that freedom and security are on a spectrum.

We disagree.

I guess. You think it's not, that's interesting.

:lamo That's priceless! An exact dichotomy in two concurring sentences....

That's what spy agencies do. There's no reason for them to speak out in the open.

You know this for a fact? Ok, let's see your proof. Because as far as I know, along with those from the prior administration, are saying that there was NEVER a blanket collecting of everyone's call patterns in the country.

That's what PRISM does, man.

What are you talking about? Do you know? Just above you just tried to say that accountability is done behind closed doors, which I would argue that smoke filled rooms, with the back slappers, and progressive allies in congress is NOT accountability to the people in any manner, now you want me to believe that lying is ok as long as it is in open hearing? No sir. That's wrong, no matter how you slice it.

The people are represented by Congress, not the Washington Post or Reddit. You're not gonna know the truth unless you have a security clearance and the need to know.

It sounds like to you this is about Obama. I couldn't give a **** about partisan politics.
 
I love how our government rapes the Constitution then attempts to punish those who call "bull****" with treason and cite their reasoning with "congressional acts."

What do people expect when our government is composed of primarily lawyers?
 
I love how our government rapes the Constitution then attempts to punish those who call "bull****" with treason and cite their reasoning with "congressional acts."

What do people expect when our government is composed of primarily lawyers?

can you not use a word that describes a massive violation and invasion of bodily autonomy as a buzzword for your elementary political analysis

dear god man
 
OWO

Here's a little news item for you--Congress, which represents us, is utterly corrupt. It is owned, lock, stock and barrel, by Wall Street and special interests. It don't give a flying fart for the american people, except a few good men, a distinct minority there.
 
can you not use a word that describes a massive violation and invasion of bodily autonomy as a buzzword for your elementary political analysis

dear god man

The government has violated the Constitution. You didn't know that?
 
The government has violated the Constitution. You didn't know that?

Don't be obtuse

You can't "rape" a piece of paper it's not a person
 
Oh I beleive him far more than I beleive anyone in the Obama administration.

First off, if you read article 215 in the Patriot Act it clearly spells out the limitations of what the NSA can do.

Lets see, the Obama administration is in the middle of a scandal where they sic'ed the IRS on their political opponents and on any American who chose to organize a grass roots Conservative PAC.

Only ideologues and idiots believe anything that comes out of Obama's mouth.

More like the tail end or 18th hole of that so-called scandal....

Only ideologues and idiots would NOT believe anything that comes out of Obama's mouth...
 
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

You have forsaken the oath you took when you enlisted. You openly acknowledge the Constitution is a "means to and end." You are sworn, first and foremost, to protect the Constitution (and the rights contained within). You should be retroactively discharged for dereliction of duty. Good day, and gg.

I believe he was out of the military, therefore this oath was irrelevant. However, if you must attach some significance to it; from his perspective, anyway, his actions were to defend the Constitution from domestic enemies: government tyranny.
 
OWO

Here's a little news item for you--Congress, which represents us, is utterly corrupt. It is owned, lock, stock and barrel, by Wall Street and special interests. It don't give a flying fart for the american people, except a few good men, a distinct minority there.

Maybe. A non-corrupted Congress would do the same thing, though, so it's a moot point.

I think you've talked about fascism before. Wouldn't you say that one guy pushing his agenda, overruling the entirety of a democratically-elected government, is a little tyrannical? I don't think you'd accept that from, say, Obama or Bush. Congress says one thing, the Department of Justice agrees, and Obama/Bush just disregard that and do whatever they want?

But because you agree with the guy, you seem willing to give him a pass. Interesting.
 
So Snowden's in Moscow now...I hope he will be safe from extradition there.
 
Don't be obtuse

You can't "rape" a piece of paper it's not a person

You did take English in school no? I'd like you to pay particular attention to the dictionary's definitions #4, and #7...Which I have bolded for you to follow along easier....You CAN "rape" a piece of paper such as the constitution of the United States. And they are doing exactly that. But that is what Socialist do. They twist, hide, obfuscate, deflect, and attack freedom.

rape1 [reyp] Show IPA noun, verb, raped, rap·ing.
noun
1.
the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3.
statutory rape.
4.
an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.

5.
Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object)
6.
to force to have sexual intercourse.
7.
to plunder (a place); despoil.

8.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.

Rape | Define Rape at Dictionary.com
 
Maybe. A non-corrupted Congress would do the same thing, though, so it's a moot point.

I think you've talked about fascism before. Wouldn't you say that one guy pushing his agenda, overruling the entirety of a democratically-elected government, is a little tyrannical? I don't think you'd accept that from, say, Obama or Bush. Congress says one thing, the Department of Justice agrees, and Obama/Bush just disregard that and do whatever they want?

But because you agree with the guy, you seem willing to give him a pass. Interesting.

To whom am I 'giving a pass'?
 
This guy is no whistle blower....He is a traitor....Whistle blowers don't go hide in China, Russia, Cuba...etc...Traitors do.
 
Then you think that Snowden should come home?
 
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