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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Let's make one thing perfectly damn clear: the government has no ****ing business spying on the international cellphone calls of Americans who are under no suspicion of criminal or terrorist activity.
    I'll make something perfectly damn clear in return. You seem to have no ****ing idea what you are talking about, and appear to be mostly reacting from emotion rather than rational analysis. I would look with a question at the claim that it is spying to have a point-to-point record, as no content is collected. Having a record of all numbers called by Verizon customers so that you can scan them in order to see if anyone is calling suicide-bomber-facilitators in Pakistan strikes me as a reasonable program, especially if it is overseen by both Congress and the Judiciary.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    This wasn't civil disobedience, this was tantamount to treason.
    Man i cant believe you call yourself a "libertarian" then...


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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    That is a good point. I’ll give him a little slack, though, since he actually outed himself. He may be staying outside our jurisdiction so he can ensure his side of the story is heard. Or there may be some ulterior motive. We’ll have to see how it plays out.
    Bradley Manning's "side of the story" has certainly been heard.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    This wasn't civil disobedience, this was tantamount to treason.
    He has destroyed collection programs that have saved lives in the past, and would likely have otherwise saved lives in the future. The American People did not grant Edward Snowden authority to make life or death decisions on their behalf - they granted that to their government instead.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Man i cant believe you call yourself a "libertarian" then...
    As those of us on the right keep having to point out: "libertarian" =/= "anti-government". it only seems that way to those who support boundless government, because they are less well suited to appreciate arguments for authority within defined limits. that's why you get all those silly "somalia should be your paradise" strawman arguments, where limited government is confused with anarchy.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance | World news | guardian.co.uk

    And he is out. The man who revealed this **** storm. A hero and a great man that was not afraid to tell the truth and reveal something he thought was wrong. Whistle blowing is not a crime! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    From what I know of this - he is a hero in my book.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    This wasn't civil disobedience, this was tantamount to treason.
    Treason is helping the enemy.

    Snowden helped the American people by letting us know that our government is spying on our international cellphone calls, regardless of probable cause or evidence of criminal/terrorist activity.

    Do you consider the American people to be the enemy?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    This wasn't civil disobedience, this was tantamount to treason.
    I read cpwill’s post as possibly indicating since the government sanctioned the program it was wrong to go against their will. I had doubts cpwill believed that in all cases which is why I asked him about civil disobedience.

    I agree this wasn’t civil disobedience since he signed a nondisclosure agreement and voluntarily put himself in a position of having to keep secrets. But I also don’t consider it treason. On the surface it seems to me he did this out of loyalty to the Constitution and constitutional principles. I refuse to see someone who acts out of devotion to the Constitution as a traitor. A criminal, maybe, but not a traitor.

    Once again, that is based on what I know so far. It is always possible we could learn something about this person and his actions that cast everything in a new light.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He has destroyed collection programs that have saved lives in the past, and would likely have otherwise saved lives in the future. The American People did not grant Edward Snowden authority to make life or death decisions on their behalf - they granted that to their government instead.
    Exactly!
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Whistle-blowing is revealing illegal acts. It's not about revealing top-secret information.
    I'm pretty sure spying on every American regardless of being suspected of a crime or not is an illegal/unconstitutional act....
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