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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    The man is a traitor and untrustworthy. Given that he admitted to taking the job to expose secrets voluntarily what makes you think he won't do so under duress from a country like Moscow?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    i could not help myself!

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The man is a traitor and untrustworthy. Given that he admitted to taking the job to expose secrets voluntarily what makes you think he won't do so under duress from a country like Moscow?
    Considering that Snowden disclosed classified information ("hacking" against China and Hong Kong) and methods (targeting network infrastructure), both of which had absolutely nothing to do with domestic surveillance concerning U.S. citizens, it's probably more likely than not that he has voluntarily shared the contents of his laptops and thumb drives with the Chinese and Russian intelligence agencies. Duress probably wasn't required. The more that has been revealed, the more it appears that his early disclosure of the domestic surveillance was little more than a smokescreen to disguise a larger intention to inflict as much damage against U.S. interests as possible. Hopefully, he will eventually be apprehended, brought to justice, and held fully accountable for his actions.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Considering that Snowden disclosed classified information ("hacking" against China and Hong Kong) and methods (targeting network infrastructure), both of which had absolutely nothing to do with domestic surveillance concerning U.S. citizens, it's probably more likely than not that he has voluntarily shared the contents of his laptops and thumb drives with the Chinese and Russian intelligence agencies. Duress probably wasn't required. The more that has been revealed, the more it appears that his early disclosure of the domestic surveillance was little more than a smokescreen to disguise a larger intention to inflict as much damage against U.S. interests as possible. Hopefully, he will eventually be apprehended, brought to justice, and held fully accountable for his actions.
    Just going out on a limb here.. but I KNEW our gov't was hacking China and many other countries by targeting their infrastructure long before Snowden... I'm pretty sure China was already aware of it as well. So while you chase baseless assumptions, I'll be more interested to see if we hold Our government accountable for it's actions. And even more interested to see if the American zombie lemmings... I mean citizens will finally stand up and put a stop to this gradual slide down the slippery slope leading to secret police and Stasi tactics.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Just going out on a limb here.. but I KNEW our gov't was hacking China and many other countries by targeting their infrastructure long before Snowden... I'm pretty sure China was already aware of it as well. So while you chase baseless assumptions, I'll be more interested to see if we hold Our government accountable for it's actions. And even more interested to see if the American zombie lemmings... I mean citizens will finally stand up and put a stop to this gradual slide down the slippery slope leading to secret police and Stasi tactics.
    Not to saw off your limb, but that isn't the benchmark. Where does it say that it is unlawful to reveal classified information, unless you feel it is known, or suspected?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Just going out on a limb here.. but I KNEW our gov't was hacking China and many other countries by targeting their infrastructure long before Snowden... I'm pretty sure China was already aware of it as well. So while you chase baseless assumptions, I'll be more interested to see if we hold Our government accountable for it's actions. And even more interested to see if the American zombie lemmings... I mean citizens will finally stand up and put a stop to this gradual slide down the slippery slope leading to secret police and Stasi tactics.
    That all major intelligence agencies engage in acquiring information on critical capabilities, both national security and industrial, is not the issue. Such activities are not acknowledged in country-to-country dealings. Snowden not only did so at an awkward time (immediately ahead of a top-level U.S.-China meeting), he also disclosed the method used (damaging U.S. intelligence capabilities). None of this had anything to do with domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    That all major intelligence agencies engage in acquiring information on critical capabilities, both national security and industrial, is not the issue.
    That the US is gathering so much information particularly on her own people is surely cause for concern. Germany certainly thinks so having experienced what it is like to live in a Surveillance state.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post

    Such activities are not acknowledged in country-to-country dealings. Snowden not only did so at an awkward time (immediately ahead of a top-level U.S.-China meeting), he also disclosed the method used (damaging U.S. intelligence capabilities).
    As I understand it Snowden has not released anything concerning how this surveillance was done for the very real reason that he has no wish for others to join in. It is bad enough the US and the UK.

    Also it should not be forgotten the economic benefits to business of such surveillance which they are involved in.

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    None of this had anything to do with domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens.
    Don, what are you talking about. This is one of the main things he exposed.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    At first, I thought this guy was amazing, but, the more I think about it the more I think he has done this in order to fulfill something for himself.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    At first, I thought this guy was amazing, but, the more I think about it the more I think he has done this in order to fulfill something for himself.
    Not at all comparing... yet the same could be said of the founders. It could be both...

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Not at all comparing... yet the same could be said of the founders. It could be both...
    I don't follow. The founders didn't give out security secrets to their nation's enemies.
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