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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    If exposing government corruption and abuses is "anarchy"/"mob rule" then I am all for it.
    Then you are not a Libertarian of any kind sir. The "mob" doesn't recognize liberty. But to the further point, It's not like Snowden flew to Ecuador, or say Sweeden, you know a relatively neutral country. No, he flew China, then Russia, both countries that would be very interested in what he has, and would be more than happy to embarrass the US with it.

    In truth I am torn about this one....I realize the value of exposing the government for what they are doing to us in secret, but I don't condone siding with our enemies to do it. He crossed a line, and now has to pay the price.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then you are not a Libertarian of any kind sir. The "mob" doesn't recognize liberty. But to the further point, It's not like Snowden flew to Ecuador, or say Sweeden, you know a relatively neutral country. No, he flew China, then Russia, both countries that would be very interested in what he has, and would be more than happy to embarrass the US with it.

    In truth I am torn about this one....I realize the value of exposing the government for what they are doing to us in secret, but I don't condone siding with our enemies to do it. He crossed a line, and now has to pay the price.
    If China is our enemy, how is it that we do so much trade with them? How is it that our enemy holds such a large piece of our debt? If they are an enemy, why are so many american companies doing business with them? Why is it that our enemy will again buy a huge chunk of government securities this year?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    How long is Snowden's Moscow layover going to last?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    How long is Snowden's Moscow layover going to last?
    Longer than he anticipated.

    Sounds like he was stupid enough to have 4 laptops and numerous thumb drives with him with all of his 'secrets'.

    I doubt the Russians are letting him go anywhere too soon - until they get what he has.

    He was stupid to have his information with him, as opposed to stashed elsewhere.

    Big mistake.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So you didn't understand that he meant governments? That's some poor critical thinking.
    That includes most people within those governments.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then you are not a Libertarian of any kind sir. The "mob" doesn't recognize liberty.
    I was talking tongue-in-cheek. Of course I don't support mob rule. Why do you think I put it in quotes?


    But to the further point, It's not like Snowden flew to Ecuador, or say Sweeden, you know a relatively neutral country. No, he flew China, then Russia, both countries that would be very interested in what he has, and would be more than happy to embarrass the US with it.
    That does not mean he supports what those governments do, just that going to those places first was a temporary move in order to avoid US extradition.

    In truth I am torn about this one....I realize the value of exposing the government for what they are doing to us in secret, but I don't condone siding with our enemies to do it. He crossed a line, and now has to pay the price.
    As far as we know, he has not given any sensitive information to those governments.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post


    As far as we know, he has not given any sensitive information to those governments.
    The man is a traitor and untrustworthy. Given that he admitted to taking the job to expose secrets voluntarily what makes you think he won't do so under duress from a country like Moscow?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    If China is our enemy, how is it that we do so much trade with them? How is it that our enemy holds such a large piece of our debt? If they are an enemy, why are so many american companies doing business with them? Why is it that our enemy will again buy a huge chunk of government securities this year?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I was talking tongue-in-cheek. Of course I don't support mob rule. Why do you think I put it in quotes?
    Ok, I'll take your word for that.

    That does not mean he supports what those governments do, just that going to those places first was a temporary move in order to avoid US extradition.
    There are plenty of places that he could have gone...United Arab Emirates comes to mind....

    The consensus in international law is that a state does not have any obligation to surrender an alleged criminal to a foreign state, because one principle of sovereignty is that every state has legal authority over the people within its borders.

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    As far as we know, he has not given any sensitive information to those governments.
    Really?

    Edward Snowden makes new claims about American hacking in China - CBS News Video

    And during the meeting between the US and China....huh...yeah, ok.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    That includes most people within those governments.
    Let's assume that was true: apparently it doesn't matter. So?
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