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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Unlike you, apparently, I'm not sure what powers the Patriot Act gave the government....*shrug*
    The PATRIOT Act says nothing specific about mass surveillance of all international cellphone calls.

    Even if it did, it probably violates the 4th Amendment.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    The PATRIOT Act says nothing specific about mass surveillance of all international cellphone calls.

    Even if it did, it probably violates the 4th Amendment.
    Then who is being prosecuted?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Then who is being prosecuted?
    No one yet.

    Nevermind that not all Constitutional violations bring about criminal charges. Often times laws are simply stricken or changed and programs are modified.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    No one yet.

    Nevermind that not all Constitutional violations bring about criminal charges. Often times laws are simply stricken or changed and programs are modified.
    Well, I think you have a point. I agree with that. Whether that keeps him out of jail is another thing.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    The PATRIOT Act says nothing specific about mass surveillance of all international cellphone calls.

    Even if it did, it probably violates the 4th Amendment.
    Except we have been doing this under the guise of the PATRIOT ACT for year and years now and FISA.
    "The Times, over the objections of the Bush Administration, reveals that since 2002 the government “monitored the international telephone calls and international e-mail messages of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States without warrants.” The program involves actually listening in on phone calls and reading emails without seeking permission from the FISA Court.

    The mass data collection reported by the Guardian this week apparently was first authorized by the FISA court in 2006, though exactly when is not clear. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., chairwoman of the Senate intelligence committee, said Thursday, “As far as I know, this is the exact three-month renewal of what has been in place for the past seven years.” Similarly, the Washington Post quoted an anonymous “expert in this aspect of the law” who said the document published by the Guardian appears to be a “routine renewal” of an order first issued in 2006.

    Congress follows up the Protect America Act with another law, the FISA Amendments Act, extending the government’s expanded spying powers for another four years. The law now approaches the kind of warrantless wiretapping that occurred earlier in Bush administration. Senator Obama votes for the act."
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    He goes to jail anyway. Revealing national secrets to the public is treason, regardless of his beliefs. He'll be lucky if he gets anything under 25-30 years in prison. Both he and Manning should be executed to make an example for others to think about before they develop delusions of heroism.
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    The guy just shared some top secret information cause he disagreed with it. Not sure that's heroic. If anything, it's bad.
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    Let us hope.
    Three clear cut examples of why this country is heading for nothing but darker days. Shame on the three of you, and any one else that condones and agrees with them. ****ing ridiculous is what it is.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did he release any information? Or did he blow the whistle on an operation that violated the civil rights of millions of Americans?
    This is just my speculation, I could be completely wrong. I am guessing existence of the program was very likely classified. My guess is it was TOP SECRET, which is higher than anything Manning released. Also, it was probably a “special” program which means he would have had to have been specifically read on for that specific program.

    So simply divulging that the program exists, even if many in the public assumed as much anyway, was illegal. I do, however, believe his act was moral.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    If this happened under Bush the faux-Patriots would rally around the program and condemn all who are against it as "terrorist lovers".

    But because this has been revealed under Obama it will most likely be scaled back bigtime. No one will be accused of "treason" for being angry at this program.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    No one will get killed by letting the public know their entire lives are being tracked by the government.
    Oh. So it is your theory that terrorists do not use (for example) Yahoo email accounts? How interesting - how did you come to that conclusion?

    If you believe it is wrong for the American people to know that their privacy has been violated, then I question whether you understand the principles of this nation.
    Well it's an interesting question. If this constitutes a 4th Amendment violation, then he could legitimately have refused orders (well, he was a private contractor, he was free to quit anyway)... but there are also better venues for this than violating your nondisclosure agreement and putting our cyber collection capabilities at risk.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    This is just my speculation, I could be completely wrong. I am guessing existence of the program was very likely classified. My guess is it was TOP SECRET,
    The banner of the slide on Drudge Report was TS/SI/ORCON/NOFORN. So... yeah.

    which is higher than anything Manning released. Also, it was probably a “special” program which means he would have had to have been specifically read on for that specific program.

    So simply divulging that the program exists, even if many in the public assumed as much anyway, was illegal. I do, however, believe his act was moral.
    He may have had understandable or honorable intentions. That doesn't make the act itself right.

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